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2010 HSE Good deal?
Hi all,
Ive been having a look about at D4's and come across what looks like a good deal.
Its a 2010 HSE very well spec'd (I think extras on top of HSE but not 100% sure exactly what the standard HSE spec comes with) but it has full cameras all round, tv in dash, heated rear seats.
The car looks immaculate inside & out with full LR service history, belts done etc, one company owner.
Only draw back - 130,000 miles
The trader has basically said he will go as low as 14k with 3 months warranty (would try and push it to 6 if I can)
So, I appreciate you guys havn't seen the car but what do you think to this? seems like a great price to me but its just the mileage that has me twitchy. This is obviously whats driven the price down but should I be overly concerned about that amount or am I over thinking?
21st Dec 2017 8:38 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Mileage means gearbox torque converter (at min) or gearbox rebuild needed. Re warranty, you need to read the T&Cs to see what it covers. At that mileage most aftermarket warranties don't cover that much.
21st Dec 2017 8:43 pm
Gazzdid
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Ah ok, sounds expensive! Thanks for the reply by the way.
What mileage is this recommended? and is this a LR service recommendation or something discovered by owners to combat a known issue?
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21st Dec 2017 9:00 pm
lynalldiscovery
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As a trade seller I think you will find by law he has to warrant the car for 6 months and thats why they want to sell you warranties so they dont have to cover the costs of any failures!
21st Dec 2017 9:00 pm
Gazzdid
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Really?? I did not know that! So if I sign up for the 3 months warranty it gets them out of having to cover it for 6 months?
21st Dec 2017 9:03 pm
lynalldiscovery
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Ask him and watch his face/eyes closely.
21st Dec 2017 9:04 pm
Admirable
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lynalldiscovery wrote:
As a trade seller I think you will find by law he has to warrant the car for 6 months and thats why they want to sell you warranties so they dont have to cover the costs of any failures!
Not exactly correct, if a fault develops within the first six months the dealer has to prove it didn't exist at the point of sale. So if the car had a AA inspection and was all clear around the sale date and the G/box went kaput the dealer would be under no obligation to fork out for the repair..............this is why they want you to buy a warranty.
21st Dec 2017 9:16 pm
Gazzdid
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I will!
So just so I am clear, I can purchase the car and if anything mechanically etc goes wrong with the car within the first 6 months he will be legally obliged to put it right?
I'm having a look online at this but getting confusing/mixed results.
Does any 3rd party warranty affect this at all? i.e if there is a 3 month 3rd party warranty on it then does this mean he will not have to sort it? or after 4 months when this is ran out will he be off the hook?
21st Dec 2017 9:19 pm
Gazzdid
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Admirable wrote:
lynalldiscovery wrote:
As a trade seller I think you will find by law he has to warrant the car for 6 months and thats why they want to sell you warranties so they dont have to cover the costs of any failures!
Not exactly correct, if a fault develops within the first six months the dealer has to prove it didn't exist at the point of sale. So if the car had a AA inspection and was all clear around the sale date and the G/box went kaput the dealer would be under no obligation to fork out for the repair..............this is why they want you to buy a warranty.
aah... looks like it could get messy!
21st Dec 2017 9:21 pm
Gazzdid
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Gazzdid wrote:
is this a LR service recommendation or something discovered by owners to combat a known issue?
Anyone know the answer to this? and what kind of cost is involved in doing this? (I will remain sitting down in preparation for the answer to the last question! )
21st Dec 2017 9:24 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Search on here re TC failures. Lots and lots of experience.
21st Dec 2017 9:28 pm
Discogaz
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Gazzdid.
These old girls wear out and you are buying the mileage where suspension, gearbox and drivetrain are tired. These aren't the Landrovers of old that went on forever, well, not without replacing the bits that wear so all that's being said is be prepared to spend on it. Great cars but not for the cash strapped.
21st Dec 2017 9:31 pm
RBP
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Would have thought suspension components would have been replaced by 130,000 miles. If they haven’t the ride would be shocking....
Presume if it’s FSH you’ll know what’s been done.
21st Dec 2017 10:05 pm
Gazzdid
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I guess its a case of looking at that history and seeing whats been done. Also helps to know what would be expected to have failed/been replaced at this mileage if anyone can point me in the right direction?
Ive searched for TC failure as suggested. I can see lots for D3's not so much D4's? Found a great gearbox oil change writeup from Robbie though! Reading through that does worry me if the oil hasn't been changed in the 130,000 miles of its life!
I suppose in some ways a 130k model with a load of work done could be better than a 90k model yet to have a lot of these bits fail? I suppose its a case of weighing it up
21st Dec 2017 10:23 pm
kajtzu
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What also needs to be remembered is that most numbers are averages or commonly accepted figures for the expected life of a part. It doesn’t mean the part would break at that very odometer reading. If the vehicle has spent all its life towing heavy things it’ll behave differently than if it’s been a “get kids to school and hobbies” vehicle.
Some of these things can be detected like:
- a whine from the front might mean the diff is going bad
- if there are metallic (silvery) slivers in the diff oil it might be going bad
- if the automatic transmission has any issues or hesitates when changing gears on the fly or in “stick” mode it usually indicates it’ll soon
If you’re interested in the vehicle the smart thing to do is to comprehensively kick the tires, preferably do some kind of checkup and if something smells funny leave it.
I once got a really nice ~170000 km driven, rust free, D4 which I thought was great. I looked it through for ages and tested everything. For what it’s worth - it was, too, but a few weeks later it turned out to be a 259000 km vehicle.
What you also need to remember is that if you’re buying a 8-12 year old vehicle it isn’t new and most likely something will EVENTUALLY need to either be repaired or replaced. Budget for that, too.
Good luck with your search.
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