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Have a rest, SC. In a short while the Taliban will be asking for food aid to be flown-in (and, if so, we should trade food for arms!)
 
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Is it too much to hope that all of the military kit left behind when we exited Afghanistan can all be detonated remotely when the Taliban goat- Censored are riding about, lording it over the subjugated population?
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Most of the kit is stuff bought by the Yanks for the Afghan army. When they folded, they gave the stuff to the Taliban.

The kit the Yanks left behind themselves, is said to have been rendered unusable. There's a picture of a C130 sat with a very definite lean to one side on the BBC. Presumably this was damaged prior to the Yanks leaving. Quite why it wasn't flown out - presumably a lack of suitable pilots.

I wonder how the other aircraft were broken. Emptying lubricant and then running the engines to seizure would certainly go someway to making them glorified ornaments.
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20 years and too many lives lost we end up where we began.

As far as my sadly cynical mind goes, the only ones that benefitted were the arms and private security companies. Sad

Well done SC for yours and your colleagues efforts doing a tough job and showing the world professionalism, skills and commitment of our service men and women. I'm sorry the politicians let you down.
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Keep the props turning on the A400Ms - the Argies are getting on their high horse again (must have economic woes).
 
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The work to bring our Afghan allies into Wales is called "Operation New Hope". Let's hope the follow-up isn't "Operation Empire Strikes Back" - they kicked The Empire out twice in the past.
 
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stopping the girls going to school now...after suggesting they would allow....clearly not to be trusted....
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Pakistan is putting pressure on the Taliban to allow girls to go to school. They state, quite correctly, that there is nothing in Islam that says girls shouldn't go to school.

But of course, religion is just a mean of control and attainment of power, and this is the Taliban's version of that.
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Medieval Age, here we come.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58675153

Quote:
The Taliban's notorious former head of religious police has said extreme punishments such as executions and amputations will resume in Afghanistan.

Mullah Nooruddin Turabi, now in charge of prisons, told AP News amputations were "necessary for security".

He said these punishments may not be meted out in public, as they were under previous Taliban rule in the 1990s.

But he dismissed outrage over their past public executions: "No-one will tell us what our laws should be."


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Days before the Taliban took control of Kabul, a Taliban judge in Balkh, Haji Badruddin, told the BBC's Secunder Kermani that he supported the group's harsh and literal interpretation of Islamic religious law.

"In our Sharia it's clear, for those who have sex and are unmarried, whether it's a girl or a boy, the punishment is 100 lashes in public," Badruddin said. "But for anyone who's married, they have to be stoned to death... For those who steal: if it's proved, then his hand should be cut off."

These hardline views are in tune with some ultra-conservative Afghans.


Still, we can always send them back if they arrive in a boat...
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
Still, we can always send them back if they arrive in a boat...


We don't have to - the convicted thieves just paddle round in circles and don't make it across.
 
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Remember Wilf Lunn? His "Amputees or Unsuccessful Muslim Burglar's Getaway Cycle"
 
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The report into government handling of the collapse of Afghanistan has been published in the last half hour.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm58...eport.html

Cut to page 52 for the conclusions. There's no glowing praise here
 I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.  
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this was a war situation..working against some crazy people....how would you have done it..??
  
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I don't have a staff of 7000 civil servants and a monthly payroll budget of £43m available to me (FCDO staff report, as at Feb '22).

But then if you bothered to read the summary you'd realise that's not necessarily a disadvantage, given FCDO get slammed every bit as much as the government.

Also a bit rich coming from Captain Outrage.. You upset I got there before you could link the Daily Mail's interpretation?
 I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.  
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A litany of failures by senior politicians and civil servants.

The argument "this was a war situation" is no argument. Plans should have been in place and regularly reviewed to ensure the end of the occupation could be carried out in a suitable manner.

It's worth noting that the report praises those on the ground doing the actual work. Ire is reserved solely for Government - it is Government's responsibility to be ready for these situations. That it wasn't is because senior people in Government didn't do their jobs.
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