Member Since: 02 Dec 2008
Location: West Yorkshire
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Brake failure
Strange and scary thing has happened twice now on my 54 plate TDV6. Whilst pulling out of my car park (from cold) applied the brakes at the junction and nothing seemed to happen. Gave the pedal a good hard second press and slowed vehicle enough to stop. Tried brakes again and absolutly fine. No warning bongs or lights, no leaks, brake reservoir just below top mark. All brake pads are fine, passed the MOT with flying colours 3 weeks ago. I have read all the threads and can't seem to find a diagnosis. Can anyone help. Many thanks.
Matt
14th Jan 2010 8:00 pm
MacLeod 313
Member Since: 18 Apr 2008
Location: away
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it could be the ingress of oil into your Servo, was a safety recall on certain VIN's
See this vaccum connection, unclip it and shake the pipes, if oil present its a probable failure of the VacPac seal on the rear of the engine, allowing oil up the vacuum pipes and into servo.
If that has happened, for me it was a NEW VacPac, and Brake Servo, luckily all under warrenty.
14th Jan 2010 8:06 pm
ferrett
Member Since: 15 Jan 2006
Location: West
Posts: 298
Just had the recall letter yesterday from LR.
2006 to 2009 Model Year (Dicso3 and RRS)
Produced between Nov 05 and April 07
LA367110 - LA440000 and LS929086 - LS 117000
Oil may migrate from engine vacumn pipe and collect in brake booster
Produced between May 07 and June 09
LA440001 - LA513325 and LS117001 - LS215618
May experience temporary sticking of the vacumn non-return valve
The letter states all covered by LR for free even though I am outside the warranty2012 D4 - SDV6 XS - Firenze Red
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14th Jan 2010 8:10 pm
MacLeod 313
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Maybe so, but mine was OUT of the VIN ranges , and still failed.
14th Jan 2010 8:12 pm
Matty 2332
Member Since: 02 Dec 2008
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 670
Thanks guys, i will check the pipe tomorrow. The MY is Dec 04 my vin would appear to be out of VIN range.
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14th Jan 2010 8:36 pm
caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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Let VOSA know.
A lot are failing outside the VIN for the recall. Take to the dealer and try to get LR to pay as it other vehicles are recalled for the same issue.“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
14th Jan 2010 8:44 pm
Matty 2332
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Location: West Yorkshire
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Update... I decided not to wait until tommorrow and have just checked the vacuum pipe by torch light and to my suprise / horror there is black oil present, not much though but there all the same. So how does that leave me, my car is out of both date and vin range - would I have to foot the bill for remedial work ? By coincidence it is in at the 'stealers' tommorrow for a programme enhancement recall (which is free)
Any suggestions appreciated
Matt
14th Jan 2010 8:46 pm
Annabelle
Member Since: 27 Feb 2009
Location: Camb/Beds
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Thats scary, mine has just been in for the recall, doesn't take long to do...hope LR will sort you out.
14th Jan 2010 10:42 pm
caverD3
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Location: Oberon, NSW
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Vehicle Details
Reference : R/2009/073
Manufacturer Ref : P017
Make: LAND ROVER
Model : Discovery 3 TDV6 & Range Rover Sport TDV6
Launch Date : 28/09/2009
Numbers Involved : 56142
Build Start Date : 31/10/2005
Build End Date : 26/06/2009
Recall Details
Concern : POSSIBLE REDUCTION IN BRAKING ASSISTANCE
Description : It has been identified that, some vehicles may experience a reduction in braking performance leading to increased stopping distance, due to the possibility of oil entering the brake booster or the brake vacuum pump non-return valve sticking in the closed position after cold start.
Remedial Action : All recalled vehicles will be fitted with a modified brake vacuum pipe along with a revised design non-return valve in the secondary port of the vacuum pump.
Vehicle Id : SALLAAA136A367110 to SALLAAA149A513325
SALLSAA547A100000 to SALLSAA649A215618
SALLSAA146A929086 to SALLSAA247A999999
Other Vehicles Affected (Click the vehicle to perform an extended search)
LAND ROVER - DISCOVERY
LAND ROVER - RANGE ROVER SPORT
LAND ROVER - RANGE ROVER SPORT
Search here:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/default.asp“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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14th Jan 2010 10:56 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Is the hose to check the black one with the blocky connector above the white fluid reservoir??? Is it easy to disconnect & reconnect, Mrs DSL is worried (probably rightly so) that I'll stuff it up! My brakes are starting to feel a bit soft, needs quite a bit more force to stop sharply. My car us a couple of hundred before the VIN range fir the recall.
14th Jan 2010 11:03 pm
Matty 2332
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Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 670
DSL, yes its the hose with the connector block in the middle. Just press in the side buttons and it comes apart quite easy, i am not sure what quantity of oil would constitute a problem, mine had a tiny amount of black stuff. Please assure Mrs DSL, it is easy to pull apart, Thanks to macleod 313 and others for their advice.
14th Jan 2010 11:13 pm
caverD3
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Location: Oberon, NSW
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Please report this to VOSA or LR will never extend the recall to other VINs.
In Aus to DOTARS.“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
14th Jan 2010 11:29 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Posts: 72789
Cheers Matty!!! Has anyone in the UK with a VIN before the recall (and hence out of warranty) had the mods done and paid for by LR?Mine is in for a service & MOT next week so good timing to get it done then if it is the case of the soft brakes.
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15th Jan 2010 11:40 am
2DISCO3ORNOT
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How exactly does the VIN number work?
I dont seem to have two letters preceeding the last six digits, mine ends 8A477551
15th Jan 2010 12:01 pm
Matty 2332
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Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 670
Well I took mine into Stratstones at Stockton today, and they checked it all over whilst doing a software update (which was free) and the brakes are fine. A classic sign of vacuum hose problems is a hard brake pedal. When I experienced my problem the brakes travelled smoothly. So it must have just been a bit of a glitch, just hope it doesnt happen again As soon as the weather picks up I will be giving the calipers a strip down and good clean anyway!
Thanks for the replies
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, and still failed.
there is black oil present, not much though but there all the same. So how does that leave me, my car is out of both date and vin range - would I have to foot the bill for remedial work ? By coincidence it is in at the 'stealers' tommorrow for a programme enhancement recall (which is free)
Has anyone in the UK with a VIN before the recall (and hence out of warranty) had the mods done and paid for by LR?Mine is in for a service & MOT next week so good timing to get it done then if it is the case of the soft brakes.
