Member Since: 06 Mar 2016
Location: North Wales
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Brake Hose replacement
Hi all,
Not a frequent poster but the info on here has greatly helped ownership of my D4. Though at times like this I wonder why I didn't quite take heed of the 'only buy if your prepared for your wallet to be emptied on a frequent basis' Ha
On that theme I thought that last years service would be "the big one" with the belts being replaced but it looks like this year has the potential to equal it. In for service now the service cost itself is reasonable but the main dealer have advised that the brake hoses need to be replaced? After a bit of searching here I now understand that the system is made up of two parts (flexible and steel) but on discussing this with the service desk they recommend to change both parts.
Cost (and fortunately I was sitting down) was £1465
So at this point I've politely declined but would appreciate anyone's experience advice? Are they required now? d4 has done 70k of mostly motorway driving no heavy off road use so I was surprised this was a recommendation. But also are both parts required to be changed at the same time? Has anyone had a similar quote or am I underestimating the size of the job?
Thanks for any reply.
21st Aug 2017 8:16 pm
pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
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Need to check to see if it includes the brake pipes that run from front to back as well. I assume at that price it must be and possibly body off.
I've just done my hoses (all) and short metal brake pipes on the rear (part of the AF kit) but still need to drop the exhaust and replace the brake pipes under the car (temp repair on n/s).
Rear hose replacement was fairly easy. Front wasn't too bad but tricky due to corrosion and restricted access. Took me two hours to do one side and about 20min to do the other.
Garage would have done it quicker but I haven't worked on a car for 30years.
21st Aug 2017 8:41 pm
AeroS
Member Since: 06 Mar 2016
Location: North Wales
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Thanks Pjm,
Info I got was it was front and rear, not sure on if the body would come off but was certainly both parts (flex and steel).
Main dealer quoted 3hrs front plus 7 hrs rear so at £140per hr it gets expensive fast.
If it needs doing I'll probably look at an independent as have had a couple of recommendations for the local one.
21st Aug 2017 8:49 pm
MikeO
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As far as I know, the service schedule only calls for the flexi pipes to be replaced which is not a big job. Did they indicate that there was anything to be concerned about with the metal sections?2016 Skoda Octavia VRS Estate
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21st Aug 2017 8:55 pm
AeroS
Member Since: 06 Mar 2016
Location: North Wales
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No nothing specific with the metal parts, more a case of "we recommend they are changed at 7yr service"
I asked the question on just changing the flexi part but got a fairly clear "that can't be done" once you separate the part the risk is not being able to attach new flexi. As an engineer I started to smell bull.... but wanted to check with those of you who are more knowledgable on these cars/wallet emptiers as I have a natural OCD for wanting the car to be mechanically good!
But paying £1.5k ... the OCD can be overcome
21st Aug 2017 9:07 pm
pjm-84
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My car is 12 years old and I had no problem with the rears.
21st Aug 2017 10:10 pm
StephenO
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You need to find a good local independent.
Mines is a 2005, rear brakes lines were done a few years ago at the cost of 70 quid. My brake hoses are still original, nearly 150k on the clock. I'll get round to it one day but gives you an idea of lifespan.2016 RR Sport Autobiography
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21st Aug 2017 10:19 pm
Biffysun
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That is crazy money IMO, are they replacing the entire set of brake pipes/hoses? Do other manufacturers/dealers recommend complete replacement as a matter of course? The rear metal pipes over the diff are prone to corrosion but are relatively easily 'spliced' to copper replacements. ISTR that the 7yr service recommends the replacement of the flexis but the parts cost is around £100 from memory, can be a bit awkward if the joints are seized and a metal pipe twists but even then £1400+ is taking the
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Think you should seek out a decent indi or a sponsor on here to replace the flexis and check the metal pipes
ps have a look at Advanced Factors website for an idea of the set up and prices
21st Aug 2017 10:29 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
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hi
may i ask please , if u do have to replace sections of the metal brake pipes , is it very hard to get a converter to go from steel to copper , assume it will req a special flaring tool
as i saw on the advanced web site whilst looking at brake pipes parts it has
"service repair joiner required " , so wondering if that's a special coupling
thks as always
22nd Aug 2017 1:30 am
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22nd Aug 2017 8:33 am
pjm-84
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Quote:
is it very hard to get a converter to go from steel to copper
I think the issue is flaring the steel end. I bought the kit from AF but returned the tool as it looked rather "weedy". I found a post on here recommending the SYKES-PICKAVANT flaring tool. Nice bit of kit.
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^^ As PJM says above, the hardest part is flaring the steel pipe whilst on the car. The Sykes Pickavent would do the job but its expensive for a one-off use, most Indys would have something similar to do the job are you anywhere near a site sponsor on here?
I have done loads of rear brake pipes and spliced them under the passenger side seat. should cost no more than a couple of hundred pounds..
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23rd Aug 2017 7:58 am
AeroS
Member Since: 06 Mar 2016
Location: North Wales
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Car all back from service - without the brake hoses being replaced after the general advice.
Overall a general oil service plus the replacement of the lower wishbones (which were done through warranty work) so overall not as expensive as the big one last year.
I'll be taking the car to the independent later this week to asses the brake hoses along with an mot so not ignoring the recommendation!
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