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21st Aug 2018 1:08 pm
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professorpool wrote:
I bet you were one of these that were bemoaning the loss of the steam powered train and robots taking over in factories...
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21st Aug 2018 2:29 pm
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Like forming some kind of club perhaps?
21st Aug 2018 4:57 pm
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Government preparing for Brexit as it takes back control and begins the process of returning the UK to its halcyon days.
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21st Aug 2018 5:24 pm
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professorpool wrote:
What a childish post.
Tap tap tap..
You're from Cheshire. It's not your fault
I am 100% certain that all the brexiteer IFA's are all round good eggs and snappy dressers. It is the remainer IFA's that eat slugs and spiders and throw their empty crisp packets out of the window..
If its raining and poring the old man is very likely to be snoring
highlands, stop flogging the dead horse..
These remainers are mad I tell you. Mad.
Could be the sun?
Just like buses. Not just one but two or three idiots all at the same time... Thumbs Up
Tell us a joke about a red bus too if you like?
Just a few "adult" quotes from the prof.
Why not leave the grown up stuff to highlands, I may not agree with his standpoint but his posts are always worth a read.
Regarding another vote, the people will eventually demand one when the deal presented is so terrible or it will be via a general election again caused by the terrible deal. You want out-I want in but we may both end up united by not getting the "good" deal we want.
Would a second vote not sort this out?
21st Aug 2018 7:44 pm
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The problem is, as mentioned previously, any likelihood of a 'second vote' makes the EU offering a dreadful 'deal' more likely.
No deal is far from being the best deal for either the UK or EU so they'll want to avoid it.
In the absence of a second vote the only thing that the EU can see avoiding the 'no-deal' is to offer an acceptable deal, otherwise it's a one-way bet to no-deal.
If the spectre of 'no-Brexit' rears itself, the EU now has the third option of a 'terrible deal', still giving it a 2-way bet on no-deal/no-Brexit.
I think the majority want an acceptable deal. The best way to ensure that is to not be countenancing a no-Brexit offer.Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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highlands wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcmqTAu6b8
Yes, yes, all good Jeremy fodder from, when?, 2013. How many are actually British - not "made in Britain" but British? How many could just as easily be made in, oh, Germany or Slovenia or anywhere else in Europe if conditions are such that it is economic to do so?
This sort of chap-down-the-pub flag waving is all well and good but it won't stop production moving if it is economically sensible to do so.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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21st Aug 2018 8:16 pm
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highlands wrote:
No deal is far from being the best deal for either the UK or EU so they'll want to avoid it.
In the absence of a second vote the only thing that the EU can see avoiding the 'no-deal' is to offer an acceptable deal, otherwise it's a one-way bet to no-deal.
If the spectre of 'no-Brexit' rears itself, the EU now has the third option of a 'terrible deal', still giving it a 2-way bet on no-deal/no-Brexit.
I think the majority want an acceptable deal. The best way to ensure that is to not be countenancing a no-Brexit offer.
And I agree with highlands here
Whilst I think a second vote of the deal would be fair for the people and democratic, if you consider that just for what it is better for the UK to try to get a reasonable good deal with Brexit happening then it is better not to have a second voteIt takes all sorts (to make a world).
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21st Aug 2018 8:36 pm
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Nice of Raab to confirm that fellow humans from the EU won't be "turfed out"
Forgive the exceptionally poor and absolutely NSFW or family, but apt, language .....when I recommend this from Stewart Lee
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highlands wrote:
The problem is, as mentioned previously, any likelihood of a 'second vote' makes the EU offering a dreadful 'deal' more likely.
No deal is far from being the best deal for either the UK or EU so they'll want to avoid it.
In the absence of a second vote the only thing that the EU can see avoiding the 'no-deal' is to offer an acceptable deal, otherwise it's a one-way bet to no-deal.
If the spectre of 'no-Brexit' rears itself, the EU now has the third option of a 'terrible deal', still giving it a 2-way bet on no-deal/no-Brexit.
I think the majority want an acceptable deal. The best way to ensure that is to not be countenancing a no-Brexit offer.
This kind of sums up the problem I have with Brexit. Apparently we want out (democratic vote, first past the post wins, move on) but we then also want "a deal". We want to have a relationship that mirrors in so many ways the relationship we are leaving. If you want out, get out. As much as I disagree with professorpool's preference for the "nuclear winter" Brexit, it is at least consistent.
Any deal will result in the EU having a say in how we go about our lives - it will be thus because they are the bigger party in the negotiations, they are out single biggest export customer etc. Any deal will result in us being "in" to some degree but without any say in how and what and why and where.
Seems to me you are either for Brexit or you're against. Any half way house position is simply inconsistent. And that's why I feel that those who voted to leave have shot both themselves, and the rest of us, in both feet.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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21st Aug 2018 9:04 pm
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The option that is missing is to recognise that a giant up of enormous proportions has taken place ...and withdraw article 50
21st Aug 2018 9:08 pm
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highlands wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcmqTAu6b8
Great video
Sadly, as already pointed out, production could be moved overseas.
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