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trailhound
 


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Cam locking pin won’t insert

So I can get the right (water pump side) pin in but not the left (alternator). Even without the right pin in so I’m only playing with the left pin it never sinks in as deep as the right one. Looks exactly the same position as Disco Mikeys pics. Am I missing a trick?
  
Post #20986459th Nov 2019 7:44 pm
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PROFSR G
 


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Ukraine 2009 Discovery 3 TDV6 Commercial XS Auto Stornoway GreyDiscovery 3

Is there the remains of a previous locking tool broken off in there?

Just wondering if someone previously turned the engine before removing the tool!! Shocked
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Post #20986549th Nov 2019 8:15 pm
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Disco_Mikey
 


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If the cam timing is not 99% perfect, the pin won't fit

It wouldn't be the first time I've had to remove the belt, and turn the cam pulley to get the pin in the hole
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Post #20986689th Nov 2019 9:39 pm
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trailhound
 


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I get that Thumbs Up
But surely the pin should fit if it’s the only thing I’m trying to turn/lock. I reckon profsrg may have a theory - but I thought the pin just squeezed in between a nub rather than into a hole? The end of a pin would surely just fall out?
Not looking forward to tomorrow already ☹️
  
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Disco_Mikey
 


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It slides through a hole in the pulley, and locates in a deep hole in the cylinder head

Because of the critical nature of the cam timing, tolerances are very fine, so if its not aligned almost perfectly, the pin won't locate into the head Thumbs Up
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Post #20986839th Nov 2019 10:40 pm
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Disco_Mikey
 


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Wait, reread your post properly Laughing

Get a mirror, and see if you can see the hole, or anything broken inside it, or any damage around the opening that may cause it not to fit
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Post #20986849th Nov 2019 10:42 pm
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trailhound
 


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Mirror is a great shout! She won't notice Whistle
So both sides actually go into a hole, not just a raised profile slot?
  
Post #20986909th Nov 2019 11:13 pm
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Disco_Mikey
 


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Yes, 2 holes in the heads, one either side
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Post #20986939th Nov 2019 11:21 pm
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trailhound
 


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Thanks fella - I shall attack with new vigour and the wife’s compact tomorrow Rolling with laughter
  
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Pete K
 


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Try inserting the troublesome one on its own and moving the crank a tad if necessary.

They you will understand if the hole is ok and it’s an alignment issue
  
Post #209872710th Nov 2019 9:29 am
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trailhound
 


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Yes tried that already. I’m back out in 15 mins. Will have another wobble. Thumbs Up
  
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I have had this a few times, I think its down to the belt slacken off over time, and its always the left pin from the front thats tight to get in.
If you have the other pin in and the locking tool in the crank just carry on and when you get the old belt off just turn the cam with a spanner and insert the pin before fitting the new belt.

Flack Thumbs Up
  
Post #209873310th Nov 2019 10:32 am
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trailhound
 


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Got them both locked independently now. Used a thinner drill bit to find location. Can’t get both fully in at the same time but am doing oil pump anyway so starter is now dangling awaiting a wiggle and crank locking tool. Thanks for all the help as usual will update on progress next weekend 🙂
  
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