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Juliat
Member Since: 28 Oct 2008
Location: Sydney
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Currently have a D3, with a D4 on order. As we have a board over the rear seats carrying a cargo drawer and fridge slide for an engel fridge, we have an indwelling socket and extension coming up through between the seats and the base board. As seen elsewhere on the forum.
I saw with dismay the changes to the design of the winch replacing a nut with a lump of metal with a hole in it.
Has anyone any ideas to get around this latest design coup.
My only ideas are either, to get hold of the previous model winch, or perhaps some means of welding a large bottlescrew onto a socket extension.
Any ideas gratefully received as I would like to transfer my setup straight from the D3 to the D4.
Sorry can't post a pic as the car is in Sydney and I am in the UK for another week. The idea of decanting the contents of the car to access the winch don't immediately appeal!
Aside from my query, I understood that my car was being built today, and for those interested in the changes it is an My14, or at least that is what I ordered, delivery about 3rd week in October in Sydney.
Thanks Julia
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 15th Aug 2013 10:11 pm |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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Not sure about later models but my MY12 D4 has the same hex nut as the D3.
If the new one has a square centre hole I would think a drive socket would fit.  “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
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| 16th Aug 2013 12:31 am |
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pagoda
Member Since: 13 Aug 2009
Location: Not London Anymore (or the US for that matter)
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A socket won't fit. It's a big step backwards and really dumb by LR. However, I've had a tinker and the problem is not huge. The means of operating the new winch is via the metal bar with the hook on the end used to operate the (also crappy) scissor jack. If you remove the two plastic inside covers on the back row seats (2 x small torx screws on each, same as the D3), and provided you've lined up the hole in the winch nut (where the socket once was) you can hook the metal bar in without having to lift the seats, and so operate the winch as you would have done with a socket and ratchet. It's not great, but it is do-able as, like you, I have a cage and other stuff that means I can't easily lift the seats to lower the spare. PAGODA
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| 16th Aug 2013 6:27 am |
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Juliat
Member Since: 28 Oct 2008
Location: Sydney
Posts: 38
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Thanks for the quick response. From inspections of current vehicles looks oblong to me and I guess it would require a large socket, maybe I should go and lurk at the dealers with a handful of sockets in my pocket when I return.
I imagine its designed to fit the jack for changing the wheel, if so you would need two hands to raise and lower the spare, even if you have access to the oblong winder nut it would still make it awkward I think.
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| 16th Aug 2013 6:38 am |
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Juliat
Member Since: 28 Oct 2008
Location: Sydney
Posts: 38
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Thanks pagoda, reply crossed in the mail.
Not sure if it will work for me I have a 400 high cargo drawer immediately alongside the extension and socket poking through the base board and in close proximity on the other side of it is the fridge.
Normally slip a socket with an elbow onto the end of the extension so that it pokes backwards through the gap. Not so difficult to move the fridge but very awkward to empty the cargo drawer of camping contents and remove the box by the side of the road.
Not that we have many punctures just that they seem to occur inconveniently.
When you use the hook to unwind the spare wheel do you have to keep it absolutely vertical once hooked on or is there a little room for manoever?
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| 16th Aug 2013 6:51 am |
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NJSS
Member Since: 06 May 2009
Location: Catherington, Hampshire.
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Maybe some enterprising person will design & manufacture a suitable tool, like RLD has done with his spare wheel protector, and other have doe with jack adaptors?
In the alternative press on LR to revert to a more sensible design would be a sensible idea.
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| 16th Aug 2013 6:52 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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Photo would help.
Any idea when they made the change? “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 16th Aug 2013 6:55 am |
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pagoda
Member Since: 13 Aug 2009
Location: Not London Anymore (or the US for that matter)
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Someone else put a picture on here a few weeks ago. The change seems to have been around Jan-Feb 13.
I wonder if there's anyway to feedback to LR what a  idea this is and get them to go back to the old bolt head. PAGODA
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| 16th Aug 2013 7:06 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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maybe part of an improvement to the winder that stops the cable kinking?
Anyone kinked a new one? “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 16th Aug 2013 7:21 am |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
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Land Rover Warranty team: We are getting an awful lot of kinked spare wheel winches
LR Engineering: We can solve that; this new approach is much slower and much more awkward than the old way. It's guaranteed most will give up and call LRA to change their wheel.
LR Sales & Marketing weasel: And when their LRA cover runs out, we just sell them a new car! I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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| 16th Aug 2013 7:36 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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probably so.  “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 16th Aug 2013 8:12 am |
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Discoed
Member Since: 16 Jun 2010
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 1020
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Fit a swing away spare wheel carrier 
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| 16th Aug 2013 8:22 am |
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Juliat
Member Since: 28 Oct 2008
Location: Sydney
Posts: 38
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Spare wheel carrier would be good but it might have to wait a bit.
New car, 5x 18 wheels and a front bash plate will just about break the bank for this year.
Considering seeing if there is any old stock of spare wheel winches about.
Julia
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