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Location: Ubique
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p.s. anything before the word 'but' is discounted ...as in "i'm sorry BUT you're talking absolute " translates as "you're talking absolute " ...as an example
9th Dec 2005 10:46 pm
Coffeecup
Member Since: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Middleton, Manchester
Posts: 1084
Remapped, Chipped or whatever... it makes no difference.
IF the vehicle has a little black box to record your last 30 seconds before impact, it will only record how fast you were going, direction, braking etc.
It will NOT, record that you made use of the extra power the Remapping had provided or where the extra power came from.
Therefore the chip only provides you with the means to be driving too fast, or at too high a speed than is appropriate for the conditions or legal limits. It is not some random device that would cause you to do this, it is the driver that does this. And it is the same driver that could be going too fast with an un-mapped D3.
So get real, if you have an accident and someone reviews the little black box and it incriminates you, it is you that is responsible not the ECU. The D3 is the tool, it is you that uses it. Coffeecup March 2005 TDV6 S - Tonga Green - Manual May 2008 TDV6 SE - Stornoway Grey - Auto Dec 2010 SDV6 XS - Galway Green - Auto
9th Dec 2005 10:55 pm
Winger Site Moderator
Member Since: 15 Feb 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 3428
Lordy - some nervous dispositions here...............
The vehicle systems can reveal quite a lot immediately prior to an accident; the important word here is "immediately". There is no black box on a D3 - the ability to "record" is very limited, and is essentially designed for system diagnostic purposes, not to allow others to snoop.........
Yes, chipping a vehicle impacts performance, but that is why you do it in the first place, after all. If you don't tell you insurance company, and they suspect that the vehicle performance has been enhanced, I am quite certain they can find out, if they want to. If I had it done, I'd tell my insurance company - previous experience confirms that this does not mean an overly onerous increase in premiums.
That said, in the unpleasant scenario of an accident, PC plod (in the first instance) will be attempting to quantify vehicle speed prior to the incident and braking - neither of which is impacted by a chipping process that has not interfered in any way with the speed limitation on the vehicle or the braking systems.
The D3 is essentially a "domestic" not "commercial" vehicle - which have far more sophisticated recording systems; further, in the same bracket as FBH, tyre pressure monitor, Land Rover dealer POIs on the Sat Nav and the like.....don't believe everything you read in the Owner's Manual.
9th Dec 2005 10:55 pm
LRtuning
Member Since: 22 Feb 2005
Location: AUSTRALIA + UK
Posts: 468
BN
I've just spoken to my friend who is currently a traffic cop and accident investigator and they have no facility to extract any data from any of the vehicle computers.
And the only data they would be interested in is direction,vehicle speed,brake application and steering angle immediately before an accident.
The power output of an engine would never come into the equation as it doesnt really matter whether you are driving a mini or and Ferrari when you 'plough into someone' if you are driving poorly.
Can we get back to the 'real' issue and that is that we should tell an insurance company if we modify our cars but that actually goes for any modification including 'bull bars' and winches etc etcMoney talks.Sex sells.Mud sticks.Time flys. happens.People talk.Impressions last!
10th Dec 2005 11:49 am
BrianX
Member Since: 11 Dec 2005
Location: Bolton UK - it may be 'grim up north' but at least you get gravy on yer' chips.
Posts: 217
Sorry if I'm repeating stuff from other members, but I had my TDV6 'turbochipped' about a week after buying it. The difference it made was astonishing , especially over about 45mph where acceleration had previously been non-existent , but now goes like 'excrement off a digging implement' . I previously had an Audi A8 Sport, so the D3 seemed sluggish (to say the least) prior to the upgrade. MPG stayed around the same at first, but has been gradually increasing from about 21.5 to 24 over the last 4k miles (now at 11k). When I told my insurance company (Privelige) they upped my premium by £40 a year - not a huge cost for staying legal me thinks! I only wish that I'd had the chip 2 days earlier, that way the skip wagon which removed the rear nearside arches and mudflaps would have been well and truly in my rearview instead of well and truly inside my rear quarter '
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13th Dec 2005 8:00 pm
THUB
Member Since: 10 Dec 2005
Location: West Berkshire.
Posts: 717
Rechipping.
I have only been a member of the site a few days and have had a Disco 3 for about two months. Previous Discos were 200TDi, 300 TDi(auto) and TD5(auto) .
Prior to buying the D3 I spoke to a number of dealers, primarily for price comparisons but also on the question of chipping. One dealer was dead against it, one dealer said "we do it and take it off if there has been an incident (accident?). That attitude creates all sorts of questions.
I am of the opinion that you are legally, if not morally, bound to tell your Insurance Company. I asked mine and after they had referred the matter to the underwriters they wanted to increase the premium by about £120.00 per annum AND limit the bhp increase
I have written two letters to LR, but as yet no reply.
13th Dec 2005 9:14 pm
simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
THUB,
Agreed. Any mod to the car will invalidate the insurance if the insurance company are not told... at their discretion.
Come clean and don't risk having a no pay out on your claim.
Same for any FBH / chipping mods etc with warranty. Unless LR state to you in writing that it will honour your warranty after an after-market mod... I would not do it until the vehicle is outside warranty cover.
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" translates as "you're talking absolute 
March 2005 TDV6 S - Tonga Green - Manual 
May 2008 TDV6 SE - Stornoway Grey - Auto 
, especially over about 45mph where acceleration had previously been non-existent 
, but now goes like 'excrement off a digging implement' 
. I previously had an Audi A8 Sport, so the D3 seemed sluggish (to say the least) prior to the upgrade. MPG stayed around the same at first, but has been gradually increasing from about 21.5 to 24 over the last 4k miles (now at 11k). When I told my insurance company (Privelige) they upped my premium by £40 a year - not a huge cost for staying legal me thinks! I only wish that I'd had the chip 2 days earlier, that way the skip wagon which removed the rear nearside arches and mudflaps would have been well and truly in my rearview instead of well and truly inside my rear quarter 
300 TDi(auto) 
