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Just watch me at Küster's last stand!!
I believe there have been SIX different part numbers for the EPB box+cables. Mine was SNF500026, but there was an earlier one, and THEN three with a significantly changed number and a final one with an absolutely different number.
I imply from this an initial series of internal upgrades/mods and then a full re-design, BUT that would be a logical engineer's viewpoint, and the numbers probably represent bean-counters and bureaucrats on the loose...
We (maybe) shall see. The unattainable dream would be to open up one of each serial number (in the absence of open administration at Land Rover). Someone in there knows, and presumably doesn't want us to know. That, if anything will keep me going...
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28th Jun 2010 8:20 pm
AndrewW
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MartinR wrote:
I just can't believe how much plastic you found in there!
Plastic's OK in the right place, just not THERE... It would appear the German bean-counters got in on that one and insisted on cheaper components. I can't believe German engineers would do that.
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28th Jun 2010 8:24 pm
Iain G
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Do we know if the supposedly new units fitted to the D4 are inherently different or if they can be retro-fitted to D3's. The question has probably already been asked.
28th Jun 2010 8:33 pm
AndrewW
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In short, I don't know and I don't know if anyone DOES know.
I was re-assured in a personal 'phone call from Land Rover that no changes had been made for the D4 - a statement which I now take with two large pinches of salt:-
1. In the 6 years of the D3/D4 there have been 6 different part numbers suggesting changes in the fitted unit over time.
2. More people have walked on the moon than seem to know what is inside the EPB module of a Discovery 3/4 - certainly no LR staff nor Main Agent staff could explain the workings in detail, nor even invent a credible excuse for the malfunction.
I have two trains of thought at present; either the number changes are just that - numbers only altered for who knows what silly admin reason OR the design errors have been corrected (piecemeal, in 5 stages??) without letting anyone outside the inner sanctum know of the changes. Silence and secrecy as to whether the present vehicles are still liable to malfunction OR that changes have been made which are a material confession of the inadequacy of the earlier models. You pays your (lots of) money and you takes your choice...
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28th Jun 2010 11:24 pm
DaveT
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Is the part no visible under the car when fitted, or hidden on the upper face?Long succession of Disco's since 2001...
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28th Jun 2010 11:34 pm
AndrewW
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Should be visible after removal of spare wheel and possibly exhaust heat shields.
is the "free" face as it is bolted to the frame.2006 D3 finally swapped for a 2016 D4 Graphite in Graphite grey. No mods
28th Jun 2010 11:48 pm
green_discovery
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The failed EPB unit off mine is part number SNF500026 and is dated 30-05-06 on the opposite side to the label. This date is laser etched into the plastic. This is interesting that the car had a new unit at 18 months old before I bought it which has since only lasted anoth 4 years. When I get a chance I will take it apart to see if it has failed in the same way as yours as it is the same part number. Did yours have a date on the rear?
The new part fitted is LSNF500150, it took 6 weeks to arrive so I assume it must be of the latest version, does anybody know if this is the same part as fitted to the D4?
It might be worth trying to identify whether different part numbers fail and other don't and also whether they all fail in the same way. I am hoping (or being unrealistic) that they may have fixed the deisgn issue by the time that they made this latest one!
29th Jun 2010 9:56 am
AndrewW
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I have been reliably informed, from - shall we say - a largely reliable source that the part numbers have been
SNF500025
V
SNF500026
V
SNF500120
V
SNF500180
V
SNF500150
V
LR019223 (THIS IS THE LATEST VERSION AVAILABLE)
I guess - but don't know - that the LRO19223 was fitted to the last D3s and all D4s allowing LR to honestly say that the part had not changed when the new model came onstream
Any dissection of the gearbox of later models would be very helpful, with information as to their screaming history.
Maybe the LRO19223 will become deservedly known as the Lily Allen Box ("You never made me .....")
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29th Jun 2010 11:17 am
green_discovery
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A bit worring that the one just fitted to my vehicle last week was the 5th number not the 6th. However I did take the old unit apart to see if it had failed in the same way as it was the same part number as yours.
And the answer is yes, the e clip had come loose in the same way. It seems to me that the clip has forced 3 slots in the retaining land to get off. If only they had made the retaining land a bit wider then I am sure it would not have failed, it would have cost nothing extra. I hope more sense was used for the redesign. The other thing I found was a significant amount of metalic debris around the threaded cable end as it looks like it was running dry. This could also have increased the load the unit needed to obtain the correct tension.
Maybe more info about failures of other part numbers would be useful. Are most failures on the early part number maybe?
29th Jun 2010 10:36 pm
AndrewW
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What was the Part number on your old one?2006 D3 finally swapped for a 2016 D4 Graphite in Graphite grey. No mods
29th Jun 2010 11:42 pm
green_discovery
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SNF500026 was the old one.
30th Jun 2010 7:21 am
AndrewW
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Ta!
I need to see what MY new one is... Sort of assumed it WOULD be the latest one....
ACTUALLY - IF it is NOT the latest number, THEN there IS skullduggery afoot, because I had to wait 4 days for delivery of the part from LR - not just one the dealer had on the shelf. If they are fitting LR019223 to new vehicles and issuing SNF500150 as replacements, then they KNOW there are problems but are trying to unload substandard stock.
OR I'm paranoid - LR019223 could be exactly the same as SNF500150 but the result of a bean-counter committee decision to change it for no sensible reason.
If they were open and honest they would tell us which is the truth.
Since no-one is saying ANYTHING, there must be something to hide, be that dishonestly secret changes to the design OR abject ignorance of their own product by those who SHOULD know, at LR.
I'm going to see if Dan Brown will shadow-write a conspiracy novel about this...
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30th Jun 2010 9:52 am
AndrewW
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It will be interesting to see if the computer industry does anything to Dell for selling products with a known faulty component but staying quiet for years...
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g_d - the unit removed from mine was laser-etched 06.04.06 which means it was original...
I wonder what chance we stand of getting owners of screamers to check out the part number on their "box" 2006 D3 finally swapped for a 2016 D4 Graphite in Graphite grey. No mods
2nd Jul 2010 3:43 am
TallPaul
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Ours is screaming again, out of warrenty so will prob adjust shoes myself, will try to check at the weekend if I get time (while also fixing the failed rear PDC and removing the bumper...)
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Sort of assumed it WOULD be the latest one....
- LR019223 could be exactly the same as SNF500150 but the result of a bean-counter committee decision to change it for no sensible reason.
