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Errrr.....isn't this the main point in the book ? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
7th Mar 2018 10:48 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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And that’s why it is so expensive to get a degree, so much wasted on people who shouldn’t be doing one in the bfirst place.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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7th Mar 2018 11:00 am
comedyharvey
Member Since: 04 Jul 2010
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Yeah, but to know that would require the snowflakes to read something longer than a tweet, not gonna happen
.Arthur.
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The universities see it as a cash cow, they run a course that isn't really relevant and get loads of applicants who pay for the university staff and facilities.
Nobody gains anything because they're still unemployable at the end of it, but they've put off the real world for another 3 years.1972 Range Rover Classic 2 door V8
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7th Mar 2018 11:06 am
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I don't see that the students are misunderstood ...clearly journalists of The Sun are the ones who don't get it 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
7th Mar 2018 11:09 am
comedyharvey
Member Since: 04 Jul 2010
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Agreed DG.
To be fair, it does seem that it’s the Sun making a big deal over it. The University course does seem to be aligned with the direction of the novel.
Shelley does write with empathy over the way the creation is not ‘born’ a monster but turned into one by ‘society’.
.Arthur.
Comedy was a horse, Harvey a dog, both sadly gone. Thought I was choosing a password!
Currently;
Discovery 3 HSE 2009
101" Fwd. Control 1976
Nuffield 10/90 Tractor (10/60 with 6 cylinder conversion) 1964
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Series III Lightweight. 1976.
7th Mar 2018 11:11 am
mark the spark
Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: southampton
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Seems now that the swing is back towards apprenticeships these days irrelevant degrees seem to be
falling out of favour finally ,, encouraging rafts of average academic ability students to go on to uni just seemed just a racket to fiddle the employment figures and generate loads of cash for the unis to me.
When you look at the tuition hours they get for the money and knock off year 1 which purely seems to be a test of if you can survive 12 months of alcoholic poisoning unless your getting a top degree at the end
in really i cant see its worth it ........... and ive just put 2 kids through so i do know what its likeMY05 SE D3 Manual my first LR what a car
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7th Mar 2018 12:00 pm
astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
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Apprenticeship take up has actually fallen in last twelve months it was reported yesterday. Really surprised at that
Total supporter of apprenticeships. Learn (physical skills as well as theoretical) and get paid. Back in my day a degree was a real difference, it was medical, legal, high-flying business types, etc. Now it’s as likely to be a burger-flipper, retail or other ‘normal’ jobs (not criticising those jobs).
What peeves me is a degree student moaning about an ex-apprentice who happens to be ‘better off’ than them and the footnote “they don’t even have a degree nor a loan to pay back” forgetting they had a choice too but just followed the herd.....
7th Mar 2018 5:52 pm
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
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My son is doing an apprenticeship, he got 3 grade As at A level in Chemistry, Physics and Maths but decided to defer his university place as he gets his degree, gets paid a good wage and has no debt at the end of it. Needless to say he won’t be taking up his university place.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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7th Mar 2018 6:02 pm
kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6565
astonbuilder wrote:
Apprenticeship take up has actually fallen in last twelve months it was reported yesterday. Really surprised at that
Total supporter of apprenticeships. Learn (physical skills as well as theoretical) and get paid. Back in my day a degree was a real difference, it was medical, legal, high-flying business types, etc. Now it’s as likely to be a burger-flipper, retail or other ‘normal’ jobs (not criticising those jobs).
What peeves me is a degree student moaning about an ex-apprentice who happens to be ‘better off’ than them and the footnote “they don’t even have a degree nor a loan to pay back” forgetting they had a choice too but just followed the herd.....
In technology (IT) vocations I would actually welcome more apprenticeships but most people don’t seem to want to make the effort. Applied sciences students expect to be paid top bucks right out of school and, in my opinion, it is at least partly the fault of labor unions. Everyone wants to be a “prestigious” solution architect and draw nice clouds, nobody wants to mind the details and solve actual customer problems. One reason the industry does offshoring - rising costs in the West.
I started in the it/telecom business 20 years ago as a summer intern on the way to med school and kind of forgot about the doctoring part because the money was good, low bureaucracy (at the time), rapidly growing sector, great challenges, etc. A lot of others who started at the same time are also now in middle management or upper management positions without a degree just using the skills they have acquired working. While on topic, I enrolled to university a year ago because I was curious to learn more non-tech skills.
7th Mar 2018 6:20 pm
KiwiD4
Member Since: 17 Aug 2017
Location: Christchurch
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I’m similar Kajtzu. Been in IT for 30 years now, worked by way up to senior management. Never got a degree when I left school as there was no way my parents could afford it, and back then no student loans. If I had gone, it would have been civil engineering.
Get so annoyed at the kids with degrees in anything tha ge fast tracked by businesses because ‘they have shown they can learn‘. I call BS.
Best recruits I have ever had have learned in the job.
Like you, I did go and do a business degree a couple of years ago, but that was purely to tick off a personal goal - was not make a jot of difference to my career. Plus, it only took 6 months and hardly cost anything!King of the typo.
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7th Mar 2018 7:03 pm
astonbuilder
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Ditto, I’m going ex-apprentice draughtsman (using pencils and paper, I’m THAT old ), educated to HNC level but did a masters degree as a mature student through BMW/Rover.
My son is ex-apprentice and work paid for him to start degree couple of years ago but reneged on deal this year (“why do we need shopfloor people with degrees ) so he’s self funding it to complete and is now no longer contractually tied to them so he’ll be ‘off’ soon, so their loss.
He is the one I alluded to in earlier post; he mortgaged a house at 21, drives decent motors and has cash in his pocket. My snotty step-kids moan all the iing time about ‘how lucky he is’ and how hard done by they are paying exorbitant rent with a ‘mill-stone’ loan (at about 10 quid a month ), no luck involved at all
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7th Mar 2018 7:50 pm
kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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The company I work for pays for my MBA degree which is really, really, really nice of them.
7th Mar 2018 7:53 pm
nearlee
Member Since: 15 Dec 2012
Location: where the sheep are scared
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astonbuilder wrote:
Apprenticeship take up has actually fallen in last twelve months it was reported yesterday. Really surprised at that
Total supporter of apprenticeships. Learn (physical skills as well as theoretical) and get paid. Back in my day a degree was a real difference, it was medical, legal, high-flying business types, etc. Now it’s as likely to be a burger-flipper, retail or other ‘normal’ jobs (not criticising those jobs).
What peeves me is a degree student moaning about an ex-apprentice who happens to be ‘better off’ than them and the footnote “they don’t even have a degree nor a loan to pay back” forgetting they had a choice too but just followed the herd.....
I have done both an apprenticeship and a degree, did both one day a week at collage/university and worked the other days for my chosen apprenticeship.Just remember:-
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the titanic
7th Mar 2018 10:30 pm
Iguana
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My son home now after 6 months in college up North as part of his apprenticeship. He's now working at Muller Wiseman in Bridgwater for 1 year before college again for 6months.
4 years in total manufacturing engineering apprenticeship, gets paid £16k a year, goes up by £1k each year, accommodation and food paid for while away at college
He never wanted university, wanted to learn on the job working alongside grownups Iggy/Ieuan
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forgetting they had a choice too but just followed the herd.....
I’m THAT old 
