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Guilefox
 


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United Kingdom 2009 Discovery 3 TDV6 Base 7 Seat Auto Aintree GreenDiscovery 3
Friday afternoon Disco has rinsed me

Looking for advice on what to do next on my tragic Disco. All started last year when just after a major service it conked out with little to no warning.

Original post here (https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/cost-turbo-...61125.html)

In summary it had a new turbo - engine rebuild and some other bits.

Since then the car was never quite right and has been in the garage almost as much as out.

- “ticking noise”. It seems louder when cold, strangely more noticeable inside the cars cabin and at around 1500 RPM. Sounds like noisey tappets. Also the engine was sluggish
- Intermittent power loss – randomly full throttle up hill you'd get total loss of power andl - “SYSTEM
ENGINE FAILURE” flashes up on car dashboard for a 3-4 seconds before power is restored. No CEL/engine management lights come on. This was not evident when we first had car back from rebuild as I would never go above 2000 rev’s while on the delicate oil with re-bored cylinders.
- Some smoke on cold starts.

Around this time the CEL did come on and it went back into the garage again for repair was told EGR valve failure. (they refused to blank off the EGR valves - which is fair enough I suppose) but another few hundred quid gone to replace.

At this time I asked them to check the above problems with ticking and tappet noise. The main engine specialist said he drove it personally down to Kent (over 400 miles) with his computer plugged in and it didn't miss a beat. He refused to do an engine compression test or to check tappets.

We had a bit of a fall out and then he said I should be more worried about the suspension as car was not safe to carry my kids. So I paid another £800+ to fix that!

But when I collected Disco - on my way home it had the SYSTEM ENGINE FAILURE and power loss! Big Cry

At this point I was about £7000 invested in this car.

I was told there was nothing more they could do as their computers could find no fault. I wrote an email explaining my concerns about the tappets or a stuck valve but they said it would show up on the computer. We had a bit of a fall out on phone, and I was told basically to drive it until there was a problem they could fix. This was in February this year.

By March, the car was not running well (idling rough) but no lights on dash, so my wife took it back and was told that if she had driven it any further it would have destroyed engine. It was misfiring, one or more injectors had failed and there was only 1 litre of oil in engine. They then thought we had not put enough oil every month or at all since engine rebuild in 2017.

I reminded them that they had driven 400 miles in January, right down to Kent so would assume they checked it themselves. Also I had checked it when we got it back the last time as my wife drove to Devon (long journey) it was low and I had topped it up.

Unfortunately after initial diagnosis they rang my wife on a bad day and there was a bit of a falling out which I wont go into, her knowledge of cars and her patience is worse than mine (which is saying something) and as they needed more money to investigate and repair the engine. They told her they had only fixed the bottom of the engine not the top as that would have cost a lot more.

I rang them back and they agreed to continue to work on the car (we agreed it is losing oil somewhere) and have come back with following;

Quote:
After looking at the car we believe we need to remove the 6 injectors and send them for testing - £432 incl VAT and Labour.
3 options should any of the injectors need replacing
1. Fit new injectors (aftermarket brand) at £395.60 each incl VAT
2. Fit re-manufactured injectors at £260 each incl VAT
3. Fit new Land Rover injectors at £504 each incl VAT
In our experience re-manufactured injectors are not always reliable, but obviously the choice is yours.
Whilst carrying out the above job we will remove the rocker covers, and to the best of their ability inspect the hydraulic tappets - because on lack of oil in the car.


Finally they have agreed to inspect the tappets! Thumbs Up

I've heard of Friday afternoon vehicles, but never quite believed it until this car came along! I'm now at the point of potentially paying more to repair a car than I did to buy it! Big Cry

I suppose the point of this sad sob story is what options should I take above? Are prices ok? Is there anything else I should get them to check. I just want a working family car. Bow down
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Post #193723017th Apr 2018 9:21 am
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Asa
 


Member Since: 03 Jul 2016
Location: Essex
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United Kingdom 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Auto Zermatt SilverDiscovery 3

Do you know where the oil is leaking from or how it has been lost?

The D3 dipstick has between upper and lower levels 1.70 litres.

The lower mark is the minimum and if running at high revs or off road should be kept at the higher level.

A lot of damage can occur with the oil losses suffered, I don't think any engine would be repairable effectively and the continuing problems could be related to this oil loss.

The post reads as though your car might not be in the hands of a Land Rover specialist?
  
Post #193724817th Apr 2018 9:51 am
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Guilefox
 


Member Since: 10 Jul 2017
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United Kingdom 2009 Discovery 3 TDV6 Base 7 Seat Auto Aintree GreenDiscovery 3

We did agree last week that they would do a 1000 mile oil check to see if and how oil is being lost and where.

I was recommended this garage by at least one user on this forum! They specialize in 4x4s and in particular Land Rovers and seem to have many happy customers.
  
Post #193726217th Apr 2018 10:15 am
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DSL
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These cars can be complete money pits, I know from long and expensive experience. Think carefully about throwing good money after bad, there is a point where it’s wiser to get shot and start again with something that isn’t determined to make you bankrupt. When you hear yourself saying “I’ve spent so much on the car I can’t afford to stop now” that’s when the warning bells should be ringing at maximum volume.
   
Post #193726417th Apr 2018 10:20 am
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Asa
 


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United Kingdom 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Auto Zermatt SilverDiscovery 3

I would never suggest I know it all, however I have never heard of a mechanic or workshop suggesting a 1'000 mile oil check?

Assuming you are still driving the car, check the oil from now before and after every journey. Wherever you park up put some clean card underneath the engine area to see if it is leaking and possibly where from.

Remember the point of drip is not necessarily the point of leak!

Check the exhausts for black soot deposits this can be diesel ash but if the car is still running possibly the only place to show oil loss internally.

If after few days there is significant loss, even before it hits the lower level do not use it without further investigation or advice.

From what you have said I don't think you're getting good advice even if being told to do some simple checks yourself?
  
Post #193727117th Apr 2018 10:41 am
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Guilefox
 


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United Kingdom 2009 Discovery 3 TDV6 Base 7 Seat Auto Aintree GreenDiscovery 3

Thanks for advice Asa, I was not sure either what it meant or what they will do.

The car is with garage has been there about 3-4 weeks now.

I've not seen any oil drips on our drive (i'd have noticed).
  
Post #193727417th Apr 2018 11:02 am
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Asa
 


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Forgot to say check coolant level and colour should be orange/pink.
  
Post #193727517th Apr 2018 11:04 am
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Asa
 


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I have no regrets on my D3 which was a 12 year old 123k car when I bought it.

All my problems with it are purely wear and tear and no engine issues.

I think any car regardless of make will have issues but with Land Rovers parts are readily available with a good bunch of specialists ready to assist, not always at mates rates!

When I bought my D3 for £9000 I budgeted for the engine to go pop £7500 and vowed to fit a genuine factory recon. This was the decision rather than spend my £20k on a D4.

It has cost me about £5000 in repairs and servicing so far.

I bought the highest spec I could find in the best condition with FSH.

I hope this helps as DSL is right there has to be a cut off point for you but for me its the last fossil fuel car I shall buy so I'm in for the long haul!( or getting on my bicycle!)

Wish I could give you a definitive solution but we buy these because they are cool, capable and handsome! Typically British!
  
Post #193729017th Apr 2018 11:34 am
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DSL
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I was lucky with my decision, that numbers screamed at me “scrap her”. My engine blew 2,500 miles from home in NW Norway and it was going to cost me thousands to get it back (AA was going to pay £5.8k, I needed to contribute £3.2k), plus a good £8k to get a decent engine fitted, for a car that I’d be lucky to get £3k for. No brainier. My only regret is having spent £2.6k on having the gearbox rebuilt 4,000 miles before the engine died. Big Cry Big Cry
   
Post #193731117th Apr 2018 12:15 pm
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Guilefox
 


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Our problem was that it was slightly more drip drip approach for us.

We were told turbo had failed but I could hear knocking and there was barely oil in so knew engine was damaged. So took it to the garage explaining the above. Their remit was; definitely needs new turbo, please examine engine and tell me if it's worth spending money on. I think we said it would cost about £500 whatever to make a decision.

They told me they would send crank off for testing which they did and it was fine. But they found the cylinders were scored and needed re-boring. At that point they said to fix it should cost me £4k on a car which I had paid £10k the year before so it seemed to make sense. I was told it would be like a new engine by one of them!

Since then I've replaced (obv engine refurbishment and new turbo, cambelt and other bits you fix when you refurb engine, the coolant tank, washer tank, two tyres, battery, suspension, EGR valve). Now I am on injectors and possible new tappets.

If I had to guess I think the original problem of oil loss at top of engine (burning up in top of cylinders) was never fixed, but I do not know enough about engines to know why.

My main questions would be;

Should the tappets be noisey after an engine rebuild?
If they rebuild an engine do they usually only do the bottom half?
  
Post #193733017th Apr 2018 12:47 pm
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defector
 


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Judging by what you are saying, i would be very wary of spending any more money with this particular garage as somehow it appears (to me anyway) that they see you as a cash cow.
Maybe worth asking members down your way of some other independant who they can recommend.
  
Post #193733817th Apr 2018 1:07 pm
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Guilefox
 


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Thanks, hope that's not the case, as they've met my wife and kids, seen my other car is a run down 15 year old nissan LPG (which runs like a dream btw) and seen us put this all the work on credit cards. I know this probably wont make the slightist bit of difference, but if we are a cash cow there's barely any milk left!

My main concern with this is that if we let anyone else touch it, we have no come back on this garage if something goes wrong (as they will blame shoddy workmanship of the next one).
  
Post #193734517th Apr 2018 1:35 pm
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Asa
 


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Treat yourself to the Haynes manual for the Discovery 3.

Have a read from the beginning up to the chapters that start to detail the serious stuff and stop!

This will give you a better understanding of how the car works and a few hints on what to do or monitor.

Do not use this new wisdom to tell the garage how to do their job but more to understand the vehicle and help decipher what is being done or said, well worth it!

Happy to advise got plenty of that!! Not sure if I am helping?
  
Post #193736217th Apr 2018 2:38 pm
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Surely, in order to "send the crank for testing" they removed the body, removed the engine, stripped the bottom half to remove the crank. After testing, This was now refitted using new bearing shells/bolts etc ??. then in order to inspect the bores, they removed the pistons from below and/or, removed the cylinder heads ??
Maybe i am wrong, but sounds suspect to me.

Andi.
  
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DSL
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Agreed, never heard of a crank being taken out for testing. Needs some serious techie input. They are out there, they do walk amongst us. Whistle
   
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