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sailingaway
 


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Full winter tyres or A/T?

Afternoon! People with an exceptional memory may have a distant recollection of my last Disco3, and it's unfortunate demise... https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/fell-into-r...40050.html

I now have another Disco3 (!) which, along with my defender, will hopefully be going to the same place in France next year. The Defender is on Nokian Hakkapeliita LT2's, which are pretty unstoppable in snow and ice.

My Disco tyres are nearing the end of their life, so it's a good time to change them. I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on going all out winter, or going for a crossover A/T tyre or similar? It is only ever used on the road, skiing or otherwise, and I'm not sure I have the space for both a summer and winter tyre for it!

Any suggestions/offers of Tyres for Sale in the Hampshire/Sussex area appreciated!
  
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sailingaway
 


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Forgot to say it's currently running 265/50R20's, so I need a 20" tyre.
  
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For purely road use, I'd go with one of the new breed of all season tyre. They're not as good as a pure winter tyre (although some are winter rated such as the Michelin CrossClimate) but they're nearly as good. The compromise these days is much less than it was. Some people run winter tyres all year round but that seems to me to be compromising in the majority of conditions in order to get the best performance in the unusual conditions. An all season would be a better compromise for much of the year.

I wouldn't go with an AT unless you need the off road bit. The compromise isn't worth it as they're worse as a road tyre than the new breed of all season tyres.

You do get what you pay for. Here's a review to start you off:
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019...e-Test.htm
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Super advice. Very many thanks.
  
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Pirelli Verdre All Season 255-50-20 it's an OE Land Rover tyre. Not 3PMS snowflake branded, so carry a set of chains when you go skiing, to comply with local laws, but you'll be very unlikely to need to use them.
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That's useful to know. Where we head in France we don't need chains, but I have plenty of chains and socks kicking around.

I've noted a forum member selling some 20" tyres in Shoreham, so have PM'd.
  
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I don't find AT Tyres much of a compromise.

I use Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus all year round and drive frequently to the Alpes in Winter - they are awesome in the snow.
  
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I use the Grabber AT3 as I have a need for road use, off road use and heavy snow/ice use when skiing in Austria where 3PMSF is required.

They perform well at everything and are pretty cheap.

I paid £118 each on Amazon for 275 45 20.
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The OP doesn't venture off road, so no point in compromising road noise, braking distances and fuel consumption by him fitting AT's. Thumbs Up
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MintyHit wrote:
I don't find AT Tyres much of a compromise.

I use Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus all year round and drive frequently to the Alpes in Winter - they are awesome in the snow.


Super thanks, I've read some reviews on this.
  
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J@mes wrote:
I use the Grabber AT3 as I have a need for road use, off road use and heavy snow/ice use when skiing in Austria where 3PMSF is required.

They perform well at everything and are pretty cheap.

I paid £118 each on Amazon for 275 45 20.


Cheers. These would require a size change, as I can't get them in 265/50/R20 (apart from one website that seems to quote them at £429 each!) but they seem to do well in reviews. I note LT's comments below.
  
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LT wrote:
The OP doesn't venture off road, so no point in compromising road noise, braking distances and fuel consumption by him fitting AT's. Thumbs Up


Cheers.

I've had comms with Trailered Movements, and think his 275/40R20 Cross Contacts may do the job - I assume I can fit them to replace the 265/50R20's with no issues? Will they go on the same rim?
  
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If it was me I’d have winter set of wheels with full top notch winter tyres, plus a second set of wheels with summer tyres. I’m doing that for Skippy, original factory tyres now off and a set of Conti full winters on ready for full blown Heelands winter. OK, you have to swap them over every 6 months but that’s not an issue for me, I just get it done by the local garage. Thumbs Up

Also pushed the boat out and have a spare of each type. This shows the difference between the 2 types.

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I can only speak very highly of the Grabber AT3s. They come in your size - AJS at Coulsdon stock and fit. I have used them in all weathers in the UK and when skiing in France. I always carry chains but never need them - indeed my kids call me Tow Rope Man because when it snows I tend to end up pulling other 4x4s out of the ditches on their normal tyres.
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sailingaway wrote:
LT wrote:
The OP doesn't venture off road, so no point in compromising road noise, braking distances and fuel consumption by him fitting AT's. Thumbs Up


Cheers.

I've had comms with Trailered Movements, and think his 275/40R20 Cross Contacts may do the job - I assume I can fit them to replace the 265/50R20's with no issues? Will they go on the same rim?


The correct size tyre is 255/50/20. If you deviate from that size it’s a modification and you should inform your insurers.

I see no benefit in you fitting a non standard size tyre.

If it were me I’d buy a set of used 19” rims, but that’s a bit off topic. Thumbs Up
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