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Location: Lanarkshire
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Had nothing but good experiances with HP's. Only had the D3 for 2 months and went up into the Cairngorms.
We then drove approx 5 to 6 miles into various areas of the Strathspey estate, all tracks were white out and traces of ice below, the D3 & Wrangler Hp's took it all in it's stride, even reversing back down some of the track for upto a mile, due to snow drifts etc.
This is what we had came up, reversed down and if you look about 3/4s of the way down in the photo, you will see the track winding into the distance.
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I found keeping a level head, letting the vehicle do the work and not rushing was the way to go.
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Member Since: 17 May 2008
Location: Blackburn
Posts: 634
Thank you for all your replies, some good reading, I hope you don't think I just drive at full throttle thinking it's right its a 4X4, it will be as good in the snow as it is in the dry! I don't! I have seen alot of folk driving 4X4's round alot faster than they should do! I will see how I go tomorrow! After all, I dont need to rush to work as I work for myself!
Doesn't matter what make the tyre is - a winter tyre is going to be best in winter and, therefore, snow. Whether it is two or four wheel drive. Its not only tread pattern but also rubber compound. Winter biased tyres perfrom better in lower temperatures (hence why they are somwhat dangerous in warm, wet conditions. And will only last 12 months if left on all year...speaking from experience on both counts...) and the tread pattern is designed so it doesn't compact snow in the grooves. It is the compact snow that goes a long way towards loss of traction, grip etc.
An off-road tyre will probably go some way to keeping the tread free, but it's still not a winter biased tyre.
And IIRC, the M+S doesn't actually mean mud and snow in the strictest sense. The tyre needs to have a snowflake pattern on it to really be a winter/snow tyre.The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
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2nd Feb 2009 11:08 pm
SJR
Member Since: 09 Aug 2006
Location: East Manchester
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I found a definition that details the difference between the snowflake and M&S symbol on tyres, might be useful to understand as there appears to be some confusion on here as to whether they are the same or different
Snow & mud or ice : special winter tyres
Winter tyres come at the other end of the spectrum to performance tyres, obviously. They're designed to work well in wintery conditions with snow and ice on the roads. Winter tyres typically have larger, and thus noiser tread block patterns. In extreme climates, true snow tyres have tiny metal studs fabricated into the tread for biting into the snow and ice. The downside of this is that they are incredibly noisy on dry roads and wear out both the tyre and the road surface extremely quickly if driven in the dry. Mud & snow tyres typically either have 'M&S' stamped on the tyre sidewall. Snow & Ice tyres have a snowflake symbol.
2nd Feb 2009 11:30 pm
AJS4X4
Member Since: 30 Mar 2008
Location: Surrey
Posts: 3224
SNOW AND ICE verses RUBBER !
Only one winner, but you ALL SHOULD BUY NEW TYRES, good for small business.
Andy.
3rd Feb 2009 8:22 am
viethson
Member Since: 13 Jan 2009
Location: Bavaria
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I also have GY Wranglers on and I think they are good tyres for dry and wet roads. I was also impressed by their offroad capabilities. BUT I got really scared when driving on snow and slush. They had quite a good grip, so getting the car in motion is not the problem but STOPPING it was -well- interesting.
Even with only some slight braking the ABS went on almost immediatly, which tells me that the tyres are losing grip quite easily. I am happy i did not have to apply full braking in any sort of emergency but i will certainly get some real winter tyres for the next winter season.Life in the slow lane
3rd Feb 2009 6:08 pm
simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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If you have enough grip to pull away then the lack of grip stopping is probably due to the momentum of a 2,700KG weight pushing on them along with maybe too much speed
Even the AT2's (not a snow tyre I by any means) will slide when cornering and stopping. So will MTR's and Coopers etc etc.
Only way to help avoid this tyre wise is proper ice and snow tyres or chains or pikes... or drive like your granny round corners.
3rd Feb 2009 6:28 pm
dealmaker
Member Since: 05 Oct 2008
Location: North East
Posts: 149
Anyone driven a decent 4 wheeler on studded tyres? I have driven a D3 in Norway with them on - all I can say is that it's spooky!...almost like driving on regular tarmac - most of the roads are under permanent layers of compacted snow but you have huge amounts of traction and lateral grip!
3rd Feb 2009 10:23 pm
Popelka
Member Since: 31 May 2008
Location: Praha (Prague)
Posts: 2430
simon wrote:
or drive like your granny round corners.
mine's always on the wrong side of the road at the best of times
4th Feb 2009 8:10 am
AJS4X4
Member Since: 30 Mar 2008
Location: Surrey
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I had a full set of Pewag chains on the 110 over Sunday/Monday night, give you a great safety feeling, and around here was the only thing that keep the J8 slip clear of trucks, Highway boys on standard Dunlop road tyres on the Landcruiser's just sat in the warm and watched, great fun.
Andy.
4th Feb 2009 9:24 am
irishrover
Member Since: 18 Aug 2008
Location: The Treaty County
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we have had some considerable snow fall on the east coast of Ireland here since sunday night, and im running 255/60R18 wranglers with about 4-5mm thread. What i found was that on roads that had not been travelled to be safest for driving as the snow is still powdery and allows the tyre threads to sink into top layer for grip. On busy roads i found i had less grip due to the snow being compacted and hence the threads could not sink in for grip. Just my opinion on the matter seen as i run wranglers aswell!07 Discovery 3 TDV6 Commercial (Java Black) with:
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4th Feb 2009 1:07 pm
primoreggazzo
Member Since: 08 Dec 2008
Location: warwickshire
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check your tyre pressures....too high?
4th Feb 2009 3:23 pm
Roel
Member Since: 16 Aug 2008
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I would say MTR for loose snow and real winter tyres for snow that driven over already. So you might need to change your tyres a few times on your way home. Roel
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5th Feb 2009 8:15 am
Willy Eckerslike
Member Since: 12 Jan 2009
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Speaking to Mr Cobley last weekend at Yarwell, he said on the new MY10 Discovery the driver will be able to deflate and inflate the tyres without leaving the comfort of the drivers seat. Witchcraft I say Club Pie n Pea
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5th Feb 2009 9:32 am
Tom W
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Have used the inflate/deflate gizmo on a unimog,blxxdy exciting when it decided to deflate at 50mph Dont fancy that happening in aD3 at motorway speeds.......
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I have seen alot of folk driving 4X4's round alot faster than they should do! I will see how I go tomorrow! After all, I dont need to rush to work as I work for myself!
