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Hands Free safe or not ?

I have been watching the news on the M1 minibus crash , David Wagstaff the driver who went into the rear of the crashed minibus was on a hands free phone call .The police say that he had around 10 seconds to avoid the pile up but failed to slow or swerve and he hit the minibus at 56MPH
was the phone call partly to blame or not ?
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According to the news (not always accurate I realise!) he was on a call for an hour before the crash.

On cruise, talking, not concentrating on driving. The phone was very much a contributory factor.
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You could argue - is there any difference from a hands free phone call and a conversation with a passenger in the car?
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For me personally, yes there is. If I've had a handsfree call then once I'm finished I'm surprised how much of the journey I couldn't recall. I don't Bluetooth my phones any more to the car so the call has to wait
  
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Agree entirely Nick, been on a call myself and when finished couldn’t clearly recall the journey so I too stopped using hands free. The trouble is you get drawn into the conversation.

The difference with a passenger is that they are there, they can see and sense what’s going on, will pause the conversation and the driver can more readily halt the conversation too.

So yeah, I think it likely that the hands free call did contribute to the accident.

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From what I've read, the driver was distracted and not paying attention and that's what contributed to the collision.

However, there are lots of causes of distraction and in this case it does seem to have been the phone call - but adjusting the sat nav, changing music, adjusting the air con, drinking coffee, eating a Yorkie...

Go on, admit it - we all allow ourselves to be distracted from time to time.

See also driving whilst tired.
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I would agree sat nav, radio , eating and drinking all distract and many more but you don't do any of these for an hour at a time unlike this chap who had between 9 and 12 seconds to take avoiding action yet did not
According to ROSPA a driver is 4 times more likely to have an accident whilst chatting on the phone
that's hands free or hand held
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NickJ wrote:
For me personally, yes there is. If I've had a handsfree call then once I'm finished I'm surprised how much of the journey I couldn't recall. I don't Bluetooth my phones any more to the car so the call has to wait

Got to say I do agree.
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It depends on the call.

Years ago I stopped making/taking customer calls on handsfree because it was simply to distracting.

OTOH a social call from the wife (say) is, IMHO, no different to talking to someone in the passenger seat.
  
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I think the difference is that, if you're talking to a passenger, they are to some extent aware of the traffic also, and if you stop talking they are aware you are concentrating. Someone on the other end of a phone, has no awareness of what's happening in the car, and will keep talking, even if you need to concentrate.
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I've always said it's not the holding phone that's the problem it's the conversation.
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To me it's a combination of factors ...being on hands free doesn't in itself mean you can't look out of the windscreen but like any interaction in the cabin, it certainly contributed to inattention....how much is the question.

We can't see what he was presented with visually e.g. were brake lights of the stopped vehicles on or not ...if they weren't then his attention may not have been raised, more especially as there was a stream of traffic passing him in the middle lane just before the point of impact.

Cruise control IMO offers those seconds of false feedback where the reaction of the brain is stalled by the automation. I rarely use it for that reason.

The reduction to careless driving for him is correct AFAIC .....overall, we must not forget that had some drunken Censored not fallen asleep in the carriageway then none of this would have happened. Evil or Very Mad
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Hi DG the minibus was stopped with hazard flashing and over 100 cars had passed by according to reports the hard shoulder and lane 2 were empty IIRC it was around 3am
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rrhool wrote:
I think the difference is that, if you're talking to a passenger, they are to some extent aware of the traffic also, and if you stop talking they are aware you are concentrating. Someone on the other end of a phone, has no awareness of what's happening in the car, and will keep talking, even if you need to concentrate.


The worst driving I have ever seen was two women in a car, the driver was waving her arms around. She mounted the pavement continued waving her arms and eventualy returned to the road without ever jnowing she had done so!
Todate I have seen this twice so any talking should be banned!
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