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Its a January 2015 delivered HSE LUX by the way if that makes any difference.
31st Jul 2015 9:54 am
Dannyson
Member Since: 15 Oct 2014
Location: Newquay, Cornwall
Posts: 820
Do any motor manufacturers offer 'incident cameras' as a factory/dealer fit option....? there must be a good reason why LR and most don't .... they are not expensive .... or perhaps they would be as a an option.....? I'm confused....
Meanwhile ... tried my wifes Garmin .... with doors closed..... lost signal...... but found it again a few minutes later ...... didn't take it out on a run though......?2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
31st Jul 2015 9:56 pm
VVS210
Member Since: 05 Aug 2015
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 507
My D2 has a heated front screen & advice when I bought a Dashcam was to get one with an external GPS antenna which I did. Antenna sits in the headlining next to the sunroof so it can 'see' satellites clearly & all works fine. Apparently it is the thin wires in the heated screen which act as a shield so assume the same applies to any car with a screen with heating wires in it. That said, whilst the dashcam won't work without the external antenna the sat nav works fine!D4 - Stornoway Grey
D2 V8 - Zambesi Silver (rust free JDM import 😎)
FL2 - Sd4 HSE
110 Td5 DCPU - Bonatti Grey - sold
FL2 Td4 - Zambesi Silver - sold
D2 Td5 - Epsom Green - sold
F1 Td4 - Giverney Green - sold
90 300 Tdi - White – sold BIG mistake should have kept it!
F1 Td4 - written off by a taxi!
D1 300 Tdi - written off by a Fiesta...
D1 200 Tdi - sold
90 Turbo Diesel - sold
Ser 2a SWB - sold and glad I 'got rid'
Ser 2 SWB - sold but wish I still had it!
22nd Aug 2015 8:18 am
DG Site Moderator
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I've had two dashcams both with GPS built into the unit and not had any problems for the last 5 years over several Discos....the windscreen wires thing is a bit of a myth tbh 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
22nd Aug 2015 8:22 am
RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 2260
This does seem strange I've had road angels up near the rear view mirror on multiple discos and never had any GPS issues once they've done the first GPS lock which can take a while. Has anyone tried just sitting the device in the boot rather than front and see if it works just to rule out windscreen interference?
With regard to external GPS antenna, I wonder if its possible to tap into the OEM GPS antenna from the front somewhere a bit like you can split a TV areal signal that would make a slick solution?MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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22nd Aug 2015 9:46 am
VVS210
Member Since: 05 Aug 2015
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 507
Can only base my comments on my personal experience - I only have one camera and alternate it between whichever vehicle I am driving, either the D2 or the 90; in the 90 it works fine on its own but in the D2 it will not work unless the external antenna is plugged in. Mounting point on both screens is near side of the rear view mirror so that it does not obscure my view.D4 - Stornoway Grey
D2 V8 - Zambesi Silver (rust free JDM import 😎)
FL2 - Sd4 HSE
110 Td5 DCPU - Bonatti Grey - sold
FL2 Td4 - Zambesi Silver - sold
D2 Td5 - Epsom Green - sold
F1 Td4 - Giverney Green - sold
90 300 Tdi - White – sold BIG mistake should have kept it!
F1 Td4 - written off by a taxi!
D1 300 Tdi - written off by a Fiesta...
D1 200 Tdi - sold
90 Turbo Diesel - sold
Ser 2a SWB - sold and glad I 'got rid'
Ser 2 SWB - sold but wish I still had it!
I have a Transcend 220 in my MY16 D4 and it works well including GPS.Volvo XC60 - does all that the D4 should have done
Discovery HSE MY16 (good apart from the heating), now sold
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22nd Aug 2015 9:55 pm
Dannyson
Member Since: 15 Oct 2014
Location: Newquay, Cornwall
Posts: 820
A few more details would be good?.... how is it 'plugged' in as it were 'wireless' or cigar lighter jobby?, where is it sited, interior or external ariel..... etc etc...
..... to be honest, I'm thinking, I can't be bothered with all the agro of having a dash cam..... the fact that no dealer offers such still speaks volumes to me.... despite what others say....... its not reliable enough, it doesn't comply with various regulations, it may drain the battery, it may invalidate warranty, its crap, the cost doesn't jusify the reward... and so it goes on..... I figure, until Land Rover or whatever manufacturer offer an approved device, I will steer well clear.... NO manufacturer offers an 'incident camera' as far as I can see ... and clearly there must be a damn good reason for that!! 2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
23rd Aug 2015 12:38 am
RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 2260
I don't think its technical challenges stopping them being a Manufacturer option. I think there are a lot of legal and privacy hurdles the manufacturers legal teams are advising them to stay clear of (for now). For a vehicle to record a drivers every move and in some cases cabin conversation there would have to be many T@Cs and all different for each market no doubt.
If they were doing it properly they would have to implement a system that could stand up in court no doubt (continuity of evidence, data forensic resilience etc), the systems can also potentially self incriminate the driver as police can take all the data and see your driving for many days prior to any incident. They are also effectively a CCTV pointing at the public (see youtube) which also raises issues i think.
That said i like them and may well get one if it works inside the cabin!
RMY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
MY12 HSE - Gone
MY16 HSE Luxury - Sold
MY20 D5 HSE - Sold
Current RR L460 PHEV
A few more details would be good?.... how is it 'plugged' in as it were 'wireless' or cigar lighter jobby?, where is it sited, interior or external ariel..... etc etc...
It is wired into a "switched ignition" wire that someone on the Forum found in the driver's mirror lights cluster. It is sited just to the left of the driver's mirror and can just be seen when driving but soon forgotten. A red light flashes when it is recording although that would be easy to blank. It is wireless enable-able (a setting on the device that resets on the next ignition cycle) and has a useful iphone app. In practice it is easier to remove the micro sd card and watch the video on a pc. There is no external gps antennae, available or needed. Sat lock takes a minute or two.
I am very happy with it and have just ordered a second for swmbo's car. My only "complaint" is that the in-built screen is on for the first minute (maybe legal stuff) and I would prefer a silent setting. At £130 from Am***** it is good value.Volvo XC60 - does all that the D4 should have done
Discovery HSE MY16 (good apart from the heating), now sold
Audi TT Roadster (wow)
MGB Roadster (owned since 1992)
Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE MY08
Saab 9-5 Aero 2002 (gone but not forgotten)
23rd Aug 2015 9:00 am
FenRob
Member Since: 24 Mar 2014
Location: Fenland, Cambs
Posts: 130
tayaste wrote:
Nope, nothing stopping you reformatting the card. Takes 10 seconds in the camera just holding one button. That's in the BV anyway
Reformatting a card like this *won't* destroy the contents - can be recovered in seconds by the police if they want to use it for evidence.
23rd Aug 2015 9:21 am
tayaste
Member Since: 15 May 2013
Location: Chester
Posts: 7633
Not if I ate it after formatting
23rd Aug 2015 9:29 am
Stiggy67
Member Since: 03 May 2015
Location: Bolton
Posts: 34
DG wrote:
I've had two dashcams both with GPS built into the unit and not had any problems for the last 5 years over several Discos....the windscreen wires thing is a bit of a myth tbh
It's not, some GPS devices will work, some won't. I had a mate come over who is in the vehicle tracking business and we took measurements inside the disco,inside the wife's mini and outside and basically the reduction in GPS signal strength inside the disco is significant and measurable (at least it is in mine).
My advice, if possible test the unit you are going to buy first, buy one from a seller who has a returns policy or better still buy one that other forum members have used successfully in your model year vehicle.
23rd Aug 2015 9:57 am
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It is in my experience having had Fords and LR's with heated windscreens for the last 20 years.
Everything has worked fine, TomToms , Garmins, all of my phones, my android pads , my wife iPad ..the in car cams.
I guess if you are using cheap or faulty equipment then there might be a problem 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
23rd Aug 2015 10:22 am
Stiggy67
Member Since: 03 May 2015
Location: Bolton
Posts: 34
The relevant words here surely are "in my experience" the equipment was neither cheap nor faulty and other members have reported the same issues so it's the collective experience that counts, that's otherwise called evidence! Oh and we measured the signal loss on a £15k piece of test equipment just to be sure. Snooper worked outside, in the mini, but not in the disco doesn't get much more black and white than that...
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