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kinetic recovery rope
Hi Disco lovers,
I would like to ask an experts advice on kinetic recovery ropes.
- Can I use a kinetic rope as a normal (not "jerking") recovery rope? I do NOT mean as a towing rope on asfalt but as a recovery rope in off-road conditions.
- Should I buy a kinetic rope whatsoever? I read everywhere warnings that it is an effective tool for those knowing how to use it but a "deadly toy" for those who don't. I'm not into extreme off-roading but tend to get stuck from time to time, mostly when I don't expect it.
Thanks!
CS
13th Jan 2007 10:48 pm
karl
Member Since: 08 Jul 2006
Location: coventry
Posts: 200
CS, You seem to be posting a lot about recovery ropes and towing hooks lately, not planning on getting stuck are you? Just remember, that is a Discovery 3 you're driving!
Either that or you have friends that drive jeeps! D3 TDV8 HSE on order, Should Arrive 2017. If i'm lucky.
13th Jan 2007 11:39 pm
captain_sugar
Member Since: 05 Sep 2006
Location: Hradec Kralove
Posts: 1095
Karl,
I got stuck in last weekend with the 2years old daughter and wife on a place where I did not expect it ever to hepen. Probably my wheel fell into a hole where a tree has been dug out...
I was loose for going backwards. Forwards was not possible. Only on the hillside I was unable to drive in a straight line backwards. The slippery mud let my car slide towards the left from the moment it moved. Towards trees. I ended uo only +/- 10cm from the tree before the final recovery.
BUT I learnt another thing: always carry a rope because very few people carry a rope strong enough to pull the D3 out of the mud. And a typical 2T towing rope for cars is very likely to snap.
That's why I am choosing the right equipment right now. But not sure that the kinetic rope is the right thing.
14th Jan 2007 6:52 pm
karl
Member Since: 08 Jul 2006
Location: coventry
Posts: 200
ah, ok...
if you are unsure on the use of a kinetic rope, just get a normal tow rope that is rated high enough to cope with the D3. When you are more confident in using a kinetic rope, get one. It can't hurt to have a normal tow rope handy anyway.D3 TDV8 HSE on order, Should Arrive 2017. If i'm lucky.
14th Jan 2007 6:56 pm
wiggs
Member Since: 03 Sep 2006
Location: Manchester
Posts: 14368
i went for these
Simply because they pack away small ...have the hooks on the end ..5 tons in weight ..and different lenghts
I got 15 feet one and 10 meter oneG4 Gone ...but not forgotten
14th Jan 2007 7:35 pm
christyler
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: Cork, Ireland
Posts: 1168
Ropes
Here are some 24mm ropes, Just the job, and well rated for a D3.
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2006 Disco 3 TDV6 S Auto,
Diff Locks, Turbochipped, Raised Air Intake, 220volts Onboard, Onboard Compressor, Large Bore Exahust, Underbody Protection, One or two Other Mods as well.
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15th Jan 2007 1:20 am
DG Site Moderator
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wiggs wrote:
i went for these
Wiggs are the hooks stamp rated too ? TBH they look a little on the thin side. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
15th Jan 2007 1:25 am
wiggs
Member Since: 03 Sep 2006
Location: Manchester
Posts: 14368
according to the lable on them ..yes
Time will tell ...although there thicker than they lookG4 Gone ...but not forgotten
15th Jan 2007 2:32 am
Tonyrec
Member Since: 01 Jan 2005
Location: Hertfordshire,UK
Posts: 263
dickgriff wrote:
wiggs wrote:
i went for these
Wiggs are the hooks stamp rated too ? TBH they look a little on the thin side.
They look almost identical to the ones we use at work.
We have Yellow and Orange.
Yellow are for vehicles up to 3,500kgs and Orange ones for big toys like Artics.
16th Jan 2007 8:20 am
Tonyrec
Member Since: 01 Jan 2005
Location: Hertfordshire,UK
Posts: 263
Re: kinetic recovery rope
captain_sugar wrote:
Hi Disco lovers,
I would like to ask an experts advice on kinetic recovery ropes.
- Can I use a kinetic rope as a normal (not "jerking") recovery rope? I do NOT mean as a towing rope on asfalt but as a recovery rope in off-road conditions.
- Should I buy a kinetic rope whatsoever? I read everywhere warnings that it is an effective tool for those knowing how to use it but a "deadly toy" for those who don't. I'm not into extreme off-roading but tend to get stuck from time to time, mostly when I don't expect it.
Thanks!
CS
We were always told that under no circumstances to use a Kinetic rope for 'normal' towing.
Its amazing what you see on the road when some people are towing. You would think that most of them they are using Kinetic ropes .
G'day folks.
A "kinetic" rope can be used for normal towing if necessary.
They are normally 8 metres long so are too long for "towing" on the road, but if you are stuck you will use what you have got .
The orange strap with hooks on in the picture, if it is the same as the one I have, will be rated at 5000kg.
That is the maximum load you can expect it to hold before failure.
That is not rated for lifting & therfore there is no 6:1 safety factory as with a purple strop rated for lifting S.W.L.1 tonne.
If I was only going to carry 1 rope or strap I would carry a "kinetic" strap.
They take up less room, are easier to clean, are easier to spot damage, & have a safety weave that reveals a colour thread if they have beeb over stretched.
Also bear in mind that synthetic fibres may well be subject to damage form U.V light so store them out of direct sun light.
I would also suggest that if you have hooks spliced into the rope loops as shown in one of the pictures here, you should have a wear protector sleeve as well, to minimise damage/wear to the eye from the hook.
Regards
NickI am a hob nobber.
16th Jan 2007 9:08 am
Tonyrec
Member Since: 01 Jan 2005
Location: Hertfordshire,UK
Posts: 263
Its amazing how advice differs from person to person........suppose thats what makes Forums sooooo great.
You pay your money and take your choice.
16th Jan 2007 9:16 am
captain_sugar
Member Since: 05 Sep 2006
Location: Hradec Kralove
Posts: 1095
Hi all of you and thanks for your advises!.
I ordered the following:
2 ropes 3,5m
- I read never to attach a kinetic rope to metal connectors for obvious safety reasons so in case I need to use metal connectors I will put a non-elastic rope between the connector and the kinetic rope
- for towing on the road
- in case I need a rope longer than 10m (13,5m or 17m)
1 rope 10m which i expect to use as first choice
1 kinetic rope 10m in case the normal rope fails
They have no hooks attached so ordered as well some connectors.
It seems they are made in south africa so I guess they are made for what they are intended to...
I ordered them here:
http://trekk4x4adventure.com/shop/index.php?cPath=22_32
Surely not the cheapest but it was convenient for me to get them delivered and paid for in my home country.
I know I ordered too much but:
- i was not sure what to order
- plan to give something in the second car
- i will use them as well in the garden for towing trees and branches and for pulling out bushes behind my tractor (4x4 of course) - for now I use miserable chains there with even worse connectors.
Hope I invested badly and will never have to use them out of my garden!
Once more; thanks for the help.
Karl
16th Jan 2007 10:08 am
AndrewS Tarquin of the Desert
Member Since: 06 May 2005
Location: Y...... because I can
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Tonyrec wrote:
Its amazing how advice differs from person to person........suppose thats what makes Forums sooooo great.
You pay your money and take your choice.
Indeed how boring life would be if we all had, and did the same.
My view for what it worth.
I have never needed a Kinetic rope to get unstuck, however in Morocco one was used to recover my D3 when we got stuck on the crest of a sand dune. Believe me it was not a nice experience when the rope launches you under extreme acceleration towards the recovering vehicle and personally I don’t think the single point recovery eye on a D3 is strong enough for a kinetic rope recovery.
9 times out of 10 we will use the above mentioned rope for recovery. Usually the stranded vehicle will be in an area where traction is poor so the recovering vehicle will have to deal with similar conditions. If a strap is used (no give) the recovering vehicle will have to slowly ‘take up the slack’ and usually stop. The recovering vehicle will then attempt to recover the stranded vehicle from a standing start where traction is poor You may get lucky and recover the stranded vehicle. If you use the rope as described above that has a little stretch, simply hook up to the stranded vehicle and gently and drive off, the rope will give so no need to ‘take up the slack’ and stop. The recovering vehicle will have momentum that will assist to free the stranded car
Not saying this is the law but it works for me.
Edit
Please take note that standard ropes do not stretchIn the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
Last edited by AndrewS on 16th Jan 2007 11:34 am. Edited 1 time in total
16th Jan 2007 10:19 am
Tonyrec
Member Since: 01 Jan 2005
Location: Hertfordshire,UK
Posts: 263
Good post AndrewS.
Thats what we were told and instructed to do and use on my training course.
Have you ever seen anyone towing with a Kinetic rope on the roads that doesnt know what they were doing?
The result was that both cars needed costly repairs, one to the front and the other to the rear.
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