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Navigator
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Been told by local depot that they are not able to replace rear pads as they do not have the software to release and reset the EPB. Is this necessary? I understood the EPB worked by cable on shoes and was independent of the hydraulic operated pads. Have I got it wrong (again?) 
Can someone who has had the mechanism in bits give an explanation that their manager will understand? A vaccine does not stop you catching a virus, or passing it on, or getting ill from it, really ill. It does reduce the likelyhood of you dying when really, really ill. Stay Alive - KEEP AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
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 20th May 2010 11:44 am |
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mzplcg
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They probably mean they haven't got the ability to put the thing in service mode. (H&S)
I've done mine on the drive with standard tools. I made sure the handbrake was off and the disconnected the battery so it couldn't actuate until I was ready for it.
Yes, shoes inside the hub of the rear discs and completely independent of the pads in the caliper which are for the footbrake.
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| 20th May 2010 11:56 am |
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blueanchorinn
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I did my own and I haven't got any software.( swmbo might disagree  ) Pot Noodle Challenge Winner 2011
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| 20th May 2010 11:58 am |
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Bodsy
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if they're doing the EPB shoes or changing the disks, then their procedure probably won't allow them to do it withoiut the software, but if changing just the pads, then they should have no problem doing that. you can do that with the EPB on, no problem.  Bodsys Brake Bible
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| 20th May 2010 12:00 pm |
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PaulP
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With the Faultmate I've seen diagnostic operations to do the following within the EPB module:
- Longitudinal Accelerometer Calibration
- Drive to mounting position
- Drive to latching postion
- Unjam
I guess these are mainly used when replacing the EPB actuator module and/or cables, but as I've never had to do it I can't say much more.
I wouldn't have thought it would be necessary to just change the rear brake pads though   2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 20th May 2010 12:55 pm |
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Nasher
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If nobody else is going to ask then I will.
Why are you even considering using Kwik-Fit in the first place?
With no mechanical experiance, but a little common sense, you are more likely to do a better job yourself than Kwik-Fit will do.
Nasher Heaven doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over.
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| 20th May 2010 1:01 pm |
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Bodsy
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They should eb able to do the rear pads no problem, but they wouldn't be able to do the EPB, if only coz they are cheap monkeys who can't think for themselves...... Bodsys Brake Bible
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| 20th May 2010 1:14 pm |
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Navigator
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Nasher wrote:Why are you even considering using Kwik-Fit in the first place?
If you promise not to tell them, I'll explain........
You pay once and then they replace the pads for as long as you have the vehicle at no further charge. I had my D1 for 10 years, the RR before that for 13 years, and I expect to have this D3 for a further 10 years. If I get new pads once a year it brings the effective cost to £7.12 a set, with no effort or mess on my part. Also, if it is done badly and there is an accident due to failure, then it's not me that is liable. (OK - I might be dead, but if so I'll have left this discussion anyway)
I had four replacement exhausts from them on the D1 and only paid for the first. They are actually betting with their customers as to how long they own their vehicle. The national average is apparently 18 months, so what they make on the others, they loose on mean folk like me.
Looks like I'm going to find out just how much effort and mess is involved in the rears however - not a lot I suspect! A vaccine does not stop you catching a virus, or passing it on, or getting ill from it, really ill. It does reduce the likelyhood of you dying when really, really ill. Stay Alive - KEEP AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
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| 20th May 2010 2:12 pm |
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Bodsy
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Navigator, the pads are a piece of cake and there is NO SOFTWARE needed to change the brake pads whatsoever.
No special procedures at all.
Remove the brake wear sensor (if fitted)
Undo Brake Caliper bolts
Remove old pads and shims
Push caliper pistons back in
fit new shims and pads
fit new caliper bolts 35Nm
Fit new wheel....
Now if they're doing the rear Handbrake shoes, then that's different, but pads are no different to most cars Bodsys Brake Bible
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| 20th May 2010 2:17 pm |
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Bodsy
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Quote:To ensure your brakes are always at their best, we offer a unique brakes lifetime guarantee. Once you have pads or shoes fitted at Kwik Fit, the replacement of these parts when they wear out is absolutely free to you, as long as you own the car.
You can drive in where and when it is convenient to you, no appointment is necessary and with the Kwik Fit life time brake guarantee you are sure of great value.
The examination includes the digital measurement of wear on brake pads, shoes, brake discs and drums against the manufacturer’s specifications. The aim is to provide the best possible advice to help you restore the condition and efficiency of your braking system to as near the manufacturer’s original specification as possible.
Kwik Fit Brake check takes around 45 minutes to complete and the result of this examination is recorded on a written brake report together with a quote for any required work.
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| 20th May 2010 2:19 pm |
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Navigator
Member Since: 17 Mar 2010
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Been back to collect the D3 from Kwik-Fit and explained to the chaps there what is, and isn't, involved with the info you guys supplied. 
They tell me they can't do it anyway because the have blanket instructions from Head Office not to work on anything with an electric/electronic parking brake. As the man said, "If we are told not to work on green cars, we just don't work on green cars."
"OK", says I - "How come you are able to quote a price in advance for doing the work?" They are now totally lost!
Next step is to chase their Head Office - maybe I'll just pop in on them as its on my way from here to Edinburgh.  A vaccine does not stop you catching a virus, or passing it on, or getting ill from it, really ill. It does reduce the likelyhood of you dying when really, really ill. Stay Alive - KEEP AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
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| 20th May 2010 3:27 pm |
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4-Tech
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Altogether now....
`YOU CAN`T GET FICKER THAN A KWIK-FIT FITTER.....` 
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| 20th May 2010 5:00 pm |
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Navigator
Member Since: 17 Mar 2010
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You chaps will realise this is real - no-one could make this up!
I tried to phone the technical department at Kwik-Fit Head Office but the call got routed to a local depot - but not the one I had visited earlier. When I explained why I wanted to talk to their Head Office the chap said, "No problem at all, Sir. We can fit rear pads for you here. I'll just get stock organised and phone you back"
No call back so I phone them. "Oh, we can't do it Sir!. There are no pads available. The last set was sent this morning to xxxxxx." Guess which branch wouldn't fit? Yes, xxxxxx branch. So branch that will fit can't get pads - branch that has pads won't fit them. Lets just skip the next bit, shall we?  
Original branch has now fitted with absolutely no problem as I stood over them all the time.
Thanks for all the info in replies here, and the off-thread info as well.
(P.S. - They will work on green cars now.) A vaccine does not stop you catching a virus, or passing it on, or getting ill from it, really ill. It does reduce the likelyhood of you dying when really, really ill. Stay Alive - KEEP AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
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| 20th May 2010 6:04 pm |
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Chicken Duck
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How much they charge you Navigator? Am havin some of that life time thing Lol
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| 20th May 2010 8:20 pm |
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Navigator
Member Since: 17 Mar 2010
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Front: £71.25 Rear: £81.00
Even if you only get them replaced twice before you part with vehicle it's a good buy. I'll be back every year from now on! A vaccine does not stop you catching a virus, or passing it on, or getting ill from it, really ill. It does reduce the likelyhood of you dying when really, really ill. Stay Alive - KEEP AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
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| 20th May 2010 8:29 pm |
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