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14th Oct 2016 2:25 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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..2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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14th Oct 2016 3:09 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
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To quote Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_McGovern):
"Returning to the UK in 2003 as Creative Director of Lugeii, Ford’s design and creativity centre, Ingeni in Soho, London, McGovern rejoined Land Rover as Director, Advanced Design in April 2004. Explaining why, McGovern said "Land Rover fascinates me more than any other car maker because it has its roots in pure design as opposed to styling.[1] Ford’s Group VP Design, J Mays, noted that "Gerry is uniquely suited to this role. He's already shown the world that he fully understands Land Rover's DNA[2]"
Meanwhile, in an unguarded moment:
artschool wrote:
2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
15th Oct 2016 7:43 am
Geoff at Drym
Member Since: 18 May 2015
Location: Cornwall
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Do you suppose McGovern once worked for Lego? If that is the new LR Defender you can keep it.2007 Disco3 2.7 tdv6 SE
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15th Oct 2016 9:17 am
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
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LR couldn't just keep knocking out the same old thing forever. They all have to be updated and every time that happens, everyone who considers themselves true off roading LR fans immediately throw scorn upon the design. The same was said about the 3 and some still say it about the 4. After a while people see that the update was in fact much better than it could have been. I think the 5 would suit me well but I'm a tower not an off roader. I think it will make a decent van, people carrier and limo. Off road credentials look good on paper but will only be realised when someone here who knows what he's talking about gives it the thumbs up. Then we'll see a turn around regarding the likers and haters. It will sell because it does a lot of what the buyers want it to. It's still the Swiss Army Knife of cars, more so than any other.FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
D4 HSE 2012 Like a second wife, more expensive but goes better! I almost cried this time!
D3 HSE 2006 (Almost 8 years together, true love)
Land Cruiser VX 1994 11 years together, wife cried when I p/ex'd for my D3
Yes, but every time it changes it moves along the spectrum; it is not going to do so infinitely and still please the same people. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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15th Oct 2016 1:16 pm
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
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What doesn't it do for you?
Cost is the problem for me.FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
D4 HSE 2012 Like a second wife, more expensive but goes better! I almost cried this time!
D3 HSE 2006 (Almost 8 years together, true love)
Land Cruiser VX 1994 11 years together, wife cried when I p/ex'd for my D3
A bit of everything really; all the issues have been said and they are not all huge, but the thing is, however large or small the downsides are, it just doesn't bring any benefits to balance them either. I'd really gain very little from a D5 over my D3, and less still vs a D4, so even when I give it the benefit of the doubt on the magnitude of the downsides, there's naff all reason why I would bother buy it. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
Freelander 2 2007 HSE Manual Tambora Flame
Previous: FL2 56 reg SE Manual Black (written off )
Disco 3 06 reg B7S Manual Rimini Red
Disco 2 TD5 Y reg ES Manual Blue - Chipped
Several Discovery 300 TDis
15th Oct 2016 1:28 pm
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
It will become too costly to keep a 3/4 on the road and eventually you'll have to give in. Then what? BMW, Merc, Volvo or Jeep. Yeah right, not me. I'll be getting a two year old D5 to carry on throwing money at LR, just not as much as I would have if it had been new.FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
D4 HSE 2012 Like a second wife, more expensive but goes better! I almost cried this time!
D3 HSE 2006 (Almost 8 years together, true love)
Land Cruiser VX 1994 11 years together, wife cried when I p/ex'd for my D3
15th Oct 2016 1:32 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
Geoff at Drym wrote:
Do you suppose McGovern once worked for Lego? If that is the new LR Defender you can keep it.
Fear not, it was only a concept and even Mr McG realised that it wasn't good enough and they've admitted that the next Defender won't look like this. It might look like an Evoque, but it won't look like this 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
There's a hell of a buffer vs the cost of a D5 though, and that's a long way off. It seems unlikely that there won't be alternatives available in 10+ years time - maybe the Defender will do the trick - but if the D5 is a last resort, I still don't think that is exactly something for LR to be proud of!Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
Freelander 2 2007 HSE Manual Tambora Flame
Previous: FL2 56 reg SE Manual Black (written off )
Disco 3 06 reg B7S Manual Rimini Red
Disco 2 TD5 Y reg ES Manual Blue - Chipped
Several Discovery 300 TDis
LR couldn't just keep knocking out the same old thing forever. They all have to be updated and every time that happens, everyone who considers themselves true off roading LR fans immediately throw scorn upon the design. The same was said about the 3 and some still say it about the 4. After a while people see that the update was in fact much better than it could have been. I think the 5 would suit me well but I'm a tower not an off roader. I think it will make a decent van, people carrier and limo. Off road credentials look good on paper but will only be realised when someone here who knows what he's talking about gives it the thumbs up. Then we'll see a turn around regarding the likers and haters. It will sell because it does a lot of what the buyers want it to. It's still the Swiss Army Knife of cars, more so than any other.
The D5 shape is about as far away from a pracitical / viable van shape as you can get....the D3/4 is a cube shape.....to me brilliant vehicle packaging
That is if a van vehicle is to be used for light goods, tradesmen with tools & materials etc.
Vans aren't style items.....usually the credentials list commences with practical load carrying.
The analogy to Swiss Army knives......I disagree as regards the D5....it's multi tasking will never surpass the D3/4 on the actual shape / load carrying (shape length x breadth x hieght wise)...unless you carry plastic balls (the volume test medium).
The title thread will never be complete as regards the split tailgate......if good enough for a FFRR why not the D5?
The supposed disadvantages are totally outweighed by the multi use platform in the D3/4 lower tailgate.
What I have seen on the D5 demo cars...... "the activity platform" is as said before "a joke"....whoever dreamt this up as a "sequel" or alternative to the lower tailgate was either constrained by the instruction to "come up with some thing" or having a laugh...or not he full shilling.
If this was a feature of some other 4x4 make we would be having a laugh.....the very sad truth is on te D5 not funny at all.BREXIT - done properly.
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D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
There's a hell of a buffer vs the cost of a D5 though, and that's a long way off. It seems unlikely that there won't be alternatives available in 10+ years time - maybe the Defender will do the trick - but if the D5 is a last resort, I still don't think that is exactly something for LR to be proud of!
LfW......I don't think LR are that proud.....the D5 as seen "in the flesh" is a poor compromise....very poor.
The demo person I spoke to in the Trafford Centre D5 event said he had spoken to a whole load of dissapointed potential customers......BREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
Founder: Dipsticks-R-Us Inc
D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
25th Oct 2016 9:32 pm
Sion
Member Since: 08 Apr 2014
Location: North Wales
Posts: 364
For almost the same money and similar spec (apart from leather seats in the Land cruiser), what would you choose?
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Not even sure why land cruisers are mentioned in the same breath as the D5. Personally, I will miss the boxy practical shape of the D3/4, but when I can afford a second hand D5, that is my next vehicle without a doubt.
30th Oct 2016 5:40 am
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
Sion wrote:
For almost the same money and similar spec (apart from leather seats in the Land cruiser), what would you choose?
Neither.
There will be good, very usable, D4's around for at least 5 or 6 years yet; we really shouldn't have to accept these sorts of compromises and with the bar set this low, at least one manufacturer should easily be able to crack it in that time
I'd like it to be LR but it's, very sadly, highly unlikely until fresh new talent leads their design team. Following Chris Bangle's departure from BMW, their design department recovered almost overnight; I believe that LR's could too.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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