Russell
Member Since: 24 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
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We have just placed an order for a new Swift Ellegance with LED lighting. Has anyone else towed one of these with a D4?
Does anyone know if there are any issues with the flickering light issue as reported with some D3's and LED trailer lights.
Do I need a box of tricks to stop the flickering light issue?
Any help or advise would be appreciated. MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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Russell
Member Since: 24 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
Posts: 10564
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Bump anyone MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
MY15 D4 HSE Kaikoura Stone
MY12 D4 HSE Nara Bronze Sold and gone
MY11 D4 HSE Stornaway Grey Sold and gone
D3 S spec Silver Sold and gone
Tow bar, full length roof bars, side steps, tow bar storage unit, surround camers.
D4 camera club
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| 27th Oct 2014 8:39 pm |
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NickJ
Member Since: 11 Oct 2010
Location: there's no f in point
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Hi Russell
We have an Elegance 580 and a D3. We had to fit a Sargent VLM4 module to the caravan fusebox, without it the indicators flashed incorrectly and there was no telltale in the car. Email Sargent Electrical saying you have a D4 and they should be able to help, they should have tested this combination by now.
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| 27th Oct 2014 8:50 pm |
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Russell
Member Since: 24 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
Posts: 10564
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Cheers Nick MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
MY15 D4 HSE Kaikoura Stone
MY12 D4 HSE Nara Bronze Sold and gone
MY11 D4 HSE Stornaway Grey Sold and gone
D3 S spec Silver Sold and gone
Tow bar, full length roof bars, side steps, tow bar storage unit, surround camers.
D4 camera club
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| 27th Oct 2014 9:15 pm |
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discoteca
Member Since: 08 Mar 2010
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 1477
 
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Shouldn't be an issue with a D4. My trailer has full led lights and no problems.
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| 28th Oct 2014 2:48 am |
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UffBrock
Member Since: 18 Mar 2011
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 156
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No answer from me I'm afraid but I have also just ordered an Elegance (530) so I'm interested in the outcome.
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| 28th Oct 2014 5:05 pm |
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Washwipe
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: Bucks Oxon Herts Border
Posts: 3169
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Recently purchased the Elegance 570, yes you will need the box from Sargents, £35 ish, get the dealer to throw it in the deal. Without it I had no Trailer Indicator Warning Light and the Parking Sensors would still sound off when reverse selected, it's still not perfect, the Sensors still sound off in reverse should I start the engine with the drivers door open, but I can live with that, just close the door first 
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| 28th Oct 2014 7:28 pm |
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discoteca
Member Since: 08 Mar 2010
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 1477
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discoteca wrote:Shouldn't be an issue with a D4. My trailer has full led lights and no problems.
Sorry I should have been clearer in my post. With my trailer and its LED lights the tell tail on the dash doesn't work (unless the car's side/headlights are on, then it does when indicating) and the rear PDC doesn't disable in reverse, I can live with this on the trailer. The difference between D3 and D4 is that the LED trailer/caravan lights themselves should work fine on a D4, whereas on a D3 the indicators flicker.
So I think the answer is (if you have a D4) that the lights will work fine without any further modification but if you want the dash tell tail indicator symbol to work and the rear PDC to disable then you need the Sargents box added. For a D3 you have to have the Sargents box or the indicators flicker all the time.
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| 28th Oct 2014 8:16 pm |
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highbayrack
Member Since: 09 Jul 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 2776
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Russell we have LED's on the new van with no issues with my previous MY12 D4 or with SWMBO's D3.
But I've not tried it yet on my new MY14 D4. Ill hook it up over the next couple of days when we go to the van and let you know  On a mission to find the perfect Pork Pie. Just Found it (I think)..(Yes I have)
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| 28th Oct 2014 8:28 pm |
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maplecottage
Member Since: 01 Feb 2011
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3171
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Just picked up my new Bailey U3 Vigo with my D3 HSE 2006. Caravan has LED lights and guess what - they flicker all the time. Just waiting for Bailey to sort now.
Steve
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| 16th Nov 2014 11:24 pm |
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markiespud
Member Since: 13 Mar 2014
Location: Warboys
Posts: 86
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Steve
I don't think it's a Bailey issue as the cause is down to the car sending a pulse down the indicator lights that sets the led's off..
I have just fitted a towing relay in the boot of the D3 that takes 20 minutes or so and sorts the problem out with my caravan/ boat trailer lights..
Mark
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| 16th Nov 2014 11:38 pm |
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maplecottage
Member Since: 01 Feb 2011
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3171
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Hi Mark - I say Bailey because they have stated that they are aware of the problem and are offering a FOC fix 😄😄
Steve
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| 17th Nov 2014 8:28 am |
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cliveaff
Member Since: 05 Sep 2006
Location: Eastbourne
Posts: 328
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I have just ordered a new Bailey for delivery January.
I was very interested in this thread, so I had a look on Sargent's web site, and found this.
Some tow vehicle electrical systems may not be fully compatible with the LED road lights fitted to modern trailers and caravans, including the new range from Swift. In cases where problems are identified, an electronic control unit (VLM4) can be ordered direct from Sargent Electrical Services Limited for installation in the caravan. This unit simply plugs in-line with the 13 pin car connection cable at the rear of the caravan towing fuse box.
VLM4 units will be available from 11 April 2014. This form can be used to pre-order a unit for immediate despatch as soon as stocks arrive.
The normal price for the VLM4 is £46 but a special arrangement with Swift can provide units to verified Swift owners for a cost price of £27.40 + VAT and carriage, giving a total of £36.96.
Following continuing vehicle testing, we are producing two versions of the VLM4. VLM4-A for the majority of vehicle systems and VLM4-B for some later BMW models. Please ensure that you provide clear vehicle details below we will then select and send the appropriate unit. Due to the complexity of some vehicle systems we cannot guarantee that the VLM4 will work with all manufacturers OEM or after-market towing electrics solutions.
Please ensure ALL fields are completed. Following receipt and verification of the form we will send a PayPal payment link to the email address provided so that you can make the required £36.96 payment by PayPal or Credit / Debit Card. This part is currently only available for installation in Swift Caravans. Land Rover Dicovery 3. 5 Seats.
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| 17th Nov 2014 8:59 am |
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maplecottage
Member Since: 01 Feb 2011
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3171
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This is the text from the Bailey manual - don't be quite so quick to put your hand in your pocket 
Models fitted with LED Running lights
Certain vehicles that have the bulb
failure warning lights installed may
possible experience warnings due to
the fact that the cars system is not
compatible with LED lights on towing
vehicles.
To rectify this your Bailey retailer can
obtain a switching unit to clear this
fault at no additional cost
Job done
Steve
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| 17th Nov 2014 9:16 am |
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cliveaff
Member Since: 05 Sep 2006
Location: Eastbourne
Posts: 328
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I'am picking up my Bailey Unicorn Madrid, on Friday 30th.
I got in contact with my caravan dealer, about this Indicator problem, he ask me to go to the dealership to try out my lights, he has a new lighting board, as a test rig.
So he pluged it in to the car, and sure enough the indicator lights started flashing, as soon as it was pluged in.
He said he had not come across this before, and said he would get in contact with Bailey, and get back to me.
He said he has got in contact with them and as I orded the caravan before 27th November, it will be fitted free of charge, but why a cut off of the 27th?
So I'am happy about that But as the Caravan was delivered on Friday 23rd Jan, why are Bailey not doing something about this, when the caravan is being made.
Also Swift have the same problems. Land Rover Dicovery 3. 5 Seats.
With side Steps, And rubber floor mats and rubber load space cover.
Front and Rear Mud Flaps.
Light Guards.
Engine Re-Map
Alpine Mobile Media Station. With SatNav.
Xenon head lights
Old Man Emu Suspension
Triumph Sprint RS 1050
Discovery 1 300tdi 1995
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