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LR and society classes ?
Hi,
I don't know if this topic is a kind of "tabu" so please excuse my ignorance:
my question is related to the intresting topic of the old "society classes" of UK and if there is some correlation to the cars which are socially acceptable for each classes
- can worker buy and drive OK brand new Range ?
- what is the best LR for academic intellectuels ?
- is Range the righty for SIR's
- to which class does Disco 3 belong mainly to ?
- to which social class Ferrari Enzo is acceptable ?
-- too many modifications made to my Disco 3 to be listed in here --
5th May 2006 7:59 pm
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Its a bit like this:
Three Men on Class
Cleese........Barker........Corbett ---(order on Photo)
Cleese: I look down on him (Indicates Barker) because I am upper-class.
Barker: I look up to him (Cleese) because he is upper-class; but I look down on him (Corbett) because he is lower-class. I am middle-class
Corbett: I know my place. I look up to them both. But I don't look up to him (Barker) as much as I look up to him (Cleese), because he has got innate breeding.
Cleese: I have got innate breeding, but I have not got any money. So sometimes I look up (bends knees, does so) to him (Barker).
Barker: I still look up to him (Cleese) because although I have money, I am vulgar. But I am not as vulgar as him (Corbett) so I still look down on him (Corbett).
Corbett: I know my place. I look up to them both; but while I am poor, I am honest, industrious and trustworthy. Had I the inclination, I could look down on them. But I don't.
Barker: We all know our place, but what do we get out of it?
Cleese: I get a feeling of superiority over them.
Barker: I get a feeling of inferiority from him, (Cleese), but a feeling of superiority over him (Corbett).
Corbett: I get a pain in the back of my neck.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
5th May 2006 8:36 pm
espri
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I love the sketch
Looking at www.bbc.co.uk this morning, there was a link to a survey: Have your say - Are you middle class? and the picture below the link looked very much like a RRS to me. I haven't been able to find the picture again this evening but the link to the survey is http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jsp...0505213842
Eric
5th May 2006 9:29 pm
SN
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The D3 is an interesting beastie in this case - it is quite clearly everything and more that a RRS is. Its as big and comfy as an FFRR (ignore what VA says) and more capable in the mud.Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
5th May 2006 9:33 pm
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Yes, I heard Radio 4 this morning, they were talking about class in the UK today. I said to my Butler, as he was ironing The Times, that I didn't believe that class plays such an important roll in a modern society, it's all about money now.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
5th May 2006 9:36 pm
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I reckon a Land Rover driver is class-less. You see everybody from workmen towing large trailers, to Royalty, all driving Land Rovers.
I believe I am working-middle class. I work for a living, and live comfortably as a result.
I suppose that means a Working class person works and does not live comfortably, and a Middle class does not work, but still lives comfortably
Define Upper Class -
discuss
5th May 2006 9:40 pm
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Upperclass - More money than sense!
WorkingClass - More sense than money! Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
5th May 2006 9:55 pm
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Banter from me & VA earlier - Draw your own conclusions here !
dickgriff wrote:
Loads around Esher ... mostly driven by the school-run brigade...unfortunately for the upper classes the suspension doesn't go up far enough for them to look down upon you
Very annoyed wrote:
Watch it!
dickgriff wrote:
Whaaat.??? It's totally true ....but ...I didn't know that any of the upper classes live in Cobham .....even the lower classes in Esher look down upon people from there
Very annoyed wrote:
off!
dickgriff wrote:
Ooooooh ....you're very ruuuude !! I am, of course, just an observationalist in this local Surrey society ...being from Wales, and considered an amoeba and all that, you should consider yourself lucky that you are so far up the class scale
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5th May 2006 10:01 pm
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I will have to work that out
5th May 2006 10:08 pm
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Sorry Gareth - that was a tall order - I've sorted it as above Thanks Tho 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
5th May 2006 10:13 pm
Pelyma
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Upper class very careful with money and drive Subarus or maybe old defender. Middle class definatley RR /RRS flash with cash. Working class never have enough money D3 or Freelander.
I know quite a few Lords, some with castles some with huge estates and to a person I drive a more expensive car than them. But they are people just like us and on the whole jolly nice DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
5th May 2006 10:24 pm
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Though not directly related - I found a website a few months ago where you could punch in your annual earnings and it would tell you in what top X percent of the UK earners you fell in. Trouble is I've lost the link! Anyone see this and still have the link?Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
5th May 2006 10:47 pm
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Pelyma the perception is correct, the genuine 'upper class' tend to value 'estate' rather than monetary wealth and incidental possesions. They are usually very pleasant eccentric's who know no better than what they have been born into. The statement 'a class of their own' is so true here !
The so-called 'Upper-Middle' class can be the worst - they are in a state of flux and usually take out this unpleasantness on the middle and working classes.
There is a view that Middle and working classes are blurred today - they are just 2 ends of the spectrum. Some would say that if you have to work for a living then you are working class and that's it - many would disagree.
Of course we could always follow the communist path....one cow, one house and one disco3 each. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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5th May 2006 10:50 pm
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So its all about how much land you own then! Thats me at the bottom of the pile then! Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
5th May 2006 10:52 pm
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You and me both Steve 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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off! 
!! I am, of course, just an observationalist in this local Surrey society ...being from Wales, and considered an amoeba and all that, you should consider yourself lucky that you are so far up the class scale 
