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professorpool wrote:
I have an ARB bumper on the front of mine (fitted by the previous owner) - as rare as hens teeth to get.
I personally believe, again, the raptor alternative is about the only option at a reasonable rate.
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Just out of interest and by no means wishing to sound like Victor Meldrew, but what's the legal position on fitting the ARB bumper (or similar) in the UK on a vehicle manufactured after the ban on "hard" bull bars?2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
25th Oct 2017 5:01 pm
A.J.M
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Location: Carluke
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It’s a very grey area for legality of it.
Depending on wording it’s either fine or not fine.
Bull bar is not fine.
Winch bumper, I think, but not 100%, is fine.
On an old thread, a site sponsor said that VOSA has said they were fine.
25th Oct 2017 5:40 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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The UK supplier says this:
ARB PROTECTION EQUIPMENT
The ARB range includes several hundred part numbers, enabling ARB to offer frontal protection for the vast majority of 4x4s from around the globe. Deluxe bull bars*, coming with and without winch provision, Sahara bars and commercial bars are available, along with a selection of nudge bars for smaller vehicles.
However, vehicle protection doesn't end with a bar. Frequently it's door sills, front guards and lower rear panels that receive the most punishment, and for this reason, ARB also offers an extensive range of side and rear protection equipment. All our equipment is designed to be ultra functional, incorporating numerous features to improve the versatility of a vehicle, while maintaining maximum protection.
*Bull Bars strictly for off-road purposes only in the UK.
http://www.arbil.co.uk/4x4/shop/arb-4x4-ac...equipment/2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
25th Oct 2017 6:05 pm
Andy Foster
Member Since: 27 Dec 2009
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 6551
Plus one for the Oztent roof basket D4 MY15 SE TECH
D3 gone but never forgotten.
25th Oct 2017 9:02 pm
professorpool
Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Woking
Posts: 3213
LT wrote:
Just out of interest and by no means wishing to sound like Victor Meldrew, but what's the legal position on fitting the ARB bumper (or similar) in the UK on a vehicle manufactured after the ban on "hard" bull bars?
As others have said the wording of the law is a bit wooly and therefore the interpretation can be too?
MY understanding of the law is that a bull bar (much like this one) is illegal, however, this is a mount for forward mounted equipment (a winch) so this is legal.
I have the original receipt from the supplier and it says much the same re "off road use" and that I suspect is more about covering their own bottomse as there is a penalty for manufacturing and supplying this type of thing.
Regarding my particular vehicle, it has now passed through three MOT's (one in my ownership) since fitting. I have a policeman live in my cul-de-sac and he has not said a word and my own father is a former police inspector and not long retired from the police service (as a civilian instructor) and his view was basically the same as mine regarding the wooliness of the law.
Would I have paid the £3,000 or so to have it fitted on a doner vehicle I bought without one?
Probably not.
Did it's presence influence my decision to buy the vehicle?
Damn straight, it is very menacing and this is a full time "hobby" vehicle to me, however, not as much as the bullet proof history and care by the former owner (and site user).D3 07 SE - still going strong
D3 07 HSE - gone to car heaven
FL1 - gone to Romania
D3 05 HSE - gone to a divorce diet
D1 V8 manual - gone but not forgotten
RR Classic - gone to car heaven
Jeeps, Lexus, X-trails... Too many to name..
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If a D3/D4 front bumper was made to a very close copy of the profile of the toffee ones, but out of a more resiliant material, would it ever be noticable?A vaccine does not stop you catching a virus, or passing it on, or getting ill from it, really ill. It does reduce the likelyhood of you dying when really, really ill. Stay Alive - KEEP AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
26th Oct 2017 10:22 am
Skynet
Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
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Posts: 868
Under body protection and low level roofrack Dave
D3 2006 HSE, Cairns Blue - gone
D4 2016 SE, White
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professorpool wrote:
LT wrote:
Just out of interest and by no means wishing to sound like Victor Meldrew, but what's the legal position on fitting the ARB bumper (or similar) in the UK on a vehicle manufactured after the ban on "hard" bull bars?
As others have said the wording of the law is a bit wooly and therefore the interpretation can be too?
MY understanding of the law is that a bull bar (much like this one) is illegal, however, this is a mount for forward mounted equipment (a winch) so this is legal.
I have the original receipt from the supplier and it says much the same re "off road use" and that I suspect is more about covering their own bottomse as there is a penalty for manufacturing and supplying this type of thing.
Regarding my particular vehicle, it has now passed through three MOT's (one in my ownership) since fitting. I have a policeman live in my cul-de-sac and he has not said a word and my own father is a former police inspector and not long retired from the police service (as a civilian instructor) and his view was basically the same as mine regarding the wooliness of the law.
Would I have paid the £3,000 or so to have it fitted on a doner vehicle I bought without one?
Probably not.
Did it's presence influence my decision to buy the vehicle?
Damn straight, it is very menacing and this is a full time "hobby" vehicle to me, however, not as much as the bullet proof history and care by the former owner (and site user).
I'd have thought it would be more of an issue with insurance companies rather than the thoughts of the Police. If your insurers have approved it for road use then all should be well.
A friend is thinking of buying a cheap D3 and using it mainly on his farm, but it will need to be road legal for towing a trailer on road. He wants a winch and ideally bull bars front and rear
That's why I'm asking, but I'm suggesting he needs to get any such mods approved by NFU. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
26th Oct 2017 12:53 pm
professorpool
Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Woking
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All my mods (see signature) are declared to my insurer D3 07 SE - still going strong
D3 07 HSE - gone to car heaven
FL1 - gone to Romania
D3 05 HSE - gone to a divorce diet
D1 V8 manual - gone but not forgotten
RR Classic - gone to car heaven
Jeeps, Lexus, X-trails... Too many to name..
26th Oct 2017 12:59 pm
LT
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Location: South West
Posts: 23361
2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
26th Oct 2017 1:11 pm
mirror88
Member Since: 19 Jun 2010
Location: Leeds
Posts: 139
Hi Everyone, really appreciate the info.
We have decided to go with the following to test the water:-
D4 spotlight mounts
D3/4 sump guard
With a low profile, full roof roof rack following close after.
Im just waiting for them to be made at the moment - soon as they are ill post picks and try and do a group buy... I tried messaging Martin the other day and heard nothing back so think it might have been a random Martin... Soon as I have spoken with him, if he is happy ill get the but sorted...
Cheers
Dan2011 Discovery 4 HSE
30th Oct 2017 4:30 pm
bimblephish
Member Since: 21 Jul 2016
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 272
Might be interested in the sump guard but definitely interested in a swing away wheel carrier at the right money. A good design that doesnt sacrifice the rear parking sensors if possible
31st Oct 2017 12:18 am
DG Site Moderator
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LT wrote:
I'd have thought it would be more of an issue with insurance companies rather than the thoughts of the Police.
It's not a 'bull bar' it's a 'winch bumper' that happens to have upper bars ....nothing illegal whatsoever ...if it was just a 'bull bar' alone then a different story
I have an opposite lock fitted to my D3. I imported my D3 from Oz when I returned here. It's passed it's MOT and has also been noted on insurance declaration (as a Bull Bar as that's the only option they had). Not had any issues since I returned.
I also have an OL rear wheel carrier if any one wants to look at it and get some ideas.
I thought the vehicle year had something to do with whether they are legal or not?
Mines was built in April 2005. However, the DVLA in their infinite wisdom have decided it was built in January 2005 and have registered it as such.
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DG wrote:
LT wrote:
I'd have thought it would be more of an issue with insurance companies rather than the thoughts of the Police.
It's not a 'bull bar' it's a 'winch bumper' that happens to have upper bars ....nothing illegal whatsoever ...if it was just a 'bull bar' alone then a different story
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