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United Kingdom 2009 Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 GS Auto Bali BlueDiscovery 4

This was mine today, back of a wagon for me 😩

Does anyone know the part number for the body as we think the lugs that the clip sits behind is worn / broke

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United Kingdom 2010 Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 HSE Auto Santorini BlackDiscovery 4

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I too have a leak on the front seal of the throttle body.

My question is this - is it possible after removing the metal clip towards the fan without removing the entire throttle body and fit a replacement o ring?
https://www.advancedfactors.co.uk/lr008353...1730-p.asp

Could the leak be a symptom of a blocking up EGR?

Is the offset gap normal, where the o ring is near? Mine looks exactly like the photos in this post. Narrower to driver's/right side of vehicle (UK) and wider gap on opposite side.

Car had timing belt done recently - might have been disturbed.
What is a fair price to pay for a new throttle body housing? I seen £36 to £360! I might find the plastic clips on the TB are broken.
Part code I found on mine matched
DISCOVERY 4/RANGE ROVER SPORT 3.0 TDV6 THROTTLE BODY AND VALVE 9X2Q-9L444-CA
Product Code: 9X2Q-9L444-CA
  
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It will definately have been disturbed if the timing belt was done recently Rolling Eyes …There is a long bolt holding the front inlet housing, on the drivers side, if fitted correctly I would think it would be very difficult to pull it fwd enough to replace the ‘0’ ring. Having replaced that ‘0’ ring myself on my D3, I wouldn’t have attempted it without removing that bolt and the clip first and removing the front inlet housing totally out of the way. You will not need to remove the main throttle body unless there is something broken on it, of course.
 D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.  
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Can't be pulled forward enough to refit with that bolt still in place.
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It will definately have been disturbed if the timing belt was done recently Rolling Eyes …There is a long bolt holding the front inlet housing, on the drivers side, if fitted correctly I would think it would be very difficult to pull it fwd enough to replace the ‘0’ ring. Having replaced that ‘0’ ring myself on my D3, I wouldn’t have attempted it without removing that bolt and the clip first and removing the front inlet housing totally out of the way. You will not need to remove the main throttle body unless there is something broken on it, of course.



Thank you all for the useful information. I'll take off the bolt and clip.

The boost leak has consistency of black shoe polish.

Is it worth cleaning the Throttle body or is it likely to be just a thin layer of oily residue?
  
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What mileage has your vehicle done ? It’s likely it will have a substantial coating of the ‘boot polish’ you describe throughout the throttle body, and maybe the egr pipes going to it. If you do want to clean them out, it’s best to remove the throttle body and pipes if they are clogged too, and wash them out, with some type of degreaser, (avoiding electrical components like throttle position sensor and MAP sensor, in fact remove the MAP sensor at the very least, do not contaminate it at all, or you may incur extra expense Shocked ). Get new seals for front and back connections for when you refit it. Of course, unless you blank / disable the egr system, the gunk will just build up again Banging Head Banging Head (Mine has done just shy of 94k miles, and I haven’t found it to be that badly gunked yet, that I need to do this Laughing ).
 D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.  
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Thank you.

The car is an early D4 59 reg model, No DPF, it has 34k on clock only, gets serviced regularly. Had the fuel belt done too with the timing belt,even though the mileage was low the old fuel belt snapped in my hands when bent (I know it is not advised to bend them). Age is important.

I'll take the whole TB off and clean it. I got EGR cleaner spray and acetone. I'll be frugal - acetone deteriorates plastics. Too much EGR - run away engine ...boom etc.

Only last week I was looking up that Britpart video about replacing the EGR valves as it is approaching 40k mark.


On my old Skoda it is a 30 min job to clean properly after removing throttle body. On the D4 , everything is tightly packed. For instance - The passenger side EGR apparently needs the AC pipe disconnecting to replace if this needed doing in future.

Thanks

PS Safety - working near engine cooling fan - disconnect battery advised on cold engine or pull fuse?:
  
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Wow, that seems a low mileage to be requiring this action Shocked ….No need to worry about the cooling fan, unless you are running the engine, it is belt driven, not driven electrically. Thumbs Up
 D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.  
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United Kingdom 2010 Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 HSE Auto Santorini BlackDiscovery 4
Guide - removal of throttle body


Thought I'd share some pics of TB removal to replace front leaky o ring.
If you want to replace just the o ring forward of the TB behind the cooling fan, then TB removal is not needed.

Once the o ring is replaced the two plastic parts of the TB will seat flush and parallel.
Pics posted in order. Tools needed were torx T30 , 8mm spanner, spanner ratchet (was useful to save time).

Noticed that one of the two metal ribbed tubes (probably going to EGR) was missing a rubber o ring, but seemed to seal. When I removed tube from side of TB it was present but appeared dislodged and pushed further into the TB. Probably like this from new? No leak apparent.

Does the coolant hose clip look like it is seated correctly? One of last pics taken. There is a recess where it would allow the prongs of the horse shoe clip to go.


















  
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Last photo shows bolt holding front of TB. Removing this makes it possible to pull plastic away from rest of TB towards fan. Move fan blades aside for more room. This allows replacement of the front oring without touching rest of TB. I had already bought rear two clunkier o rings so rest of photos show TB removal to clean.
  
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Does this horseshoe clip look like it is secure (found under TB). There are a pair of recesses in plastic that appear to allow the horseshoe clip to fall into, only top recess can be seen in photo. On other cars I worked on the clip would be secure where it is in the photo, but why the recess then if that is not the correct, secure position?

Opinions?





Got the o rings from Advance Factors Southampton for this D4.
Perfect fit!

Dealer wanted £18. AF want a few quid...

I might replace the circular profile o rings where metal EGR hoses meet the sides of the TB. I have an o ring set with this size but I suspect these are specialist o rings that can withstand high heat etc? Opinions?

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The EGR metal hoses where gunked up with sludge but not blocked. I guess the sludge gets worse towards the EGRs?

Worth doing EGR replacement?
I know the passenger side EGR needs AC refridgerant hose opening (AC system needs draining and collecting in machine).

Anyone know which EGR blocks up first (I'd have thought it would be the 1st turbo EGR rather than the 2nd turbo EGR).

Opinions? Thanks
  
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Hi,

I know this is an old post, but I wanted to say thanks, as I have a coolant leak under the throttle body and was looking for some pics of how to get it off.

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