I have to change the rear strut of my discovery 3, 2005 and 190,000 km.
Noting the significant difference in prices charged by manufacturers of OEM parts and certain Chinese offers, it is legitimate to wonder about these.
"If it's cheap, it's no good" ok I know….
But if it is the same parts manufactured by Chinese workshops on behalf of Western brands?
In this case, no reason to pay more for them.
Moreover, parts for a vehicle that has already 200,000 km must they have the same longevity as for a vehicle that has 100,000?
Is there an acceptable reduction in quality/longevity?
I remember a post written here saying "Chinese shock absorbers and strut are not on top yet, but let's give them 2 years and they will be"
This post was written 4 years ago...
what has happened since?
10th May 2023 6:34 am
kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6577
Note that technically “Delphi” (acquired by BWI) are Chinese as the acronym means BeijingWest Industries.
10th May 2023 7:20 am
kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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But would I buy blindly something from AliExpress? No, I would not
10th May 2023 7:21 am
Motolab
Member Since: 18 Oct 2019
Location: Sleen
Posts: 1815
Indeed, what you buy on ali or like wise (even ebay, amazon chinese sellers) is NOT the same product as you buy from jlr, although they can be both made in china…
China is BIG with a lot of copycat factory’s…. Thinking it is only one factory who makes a certain part is a shortsighted thought…
The end control is the key, and therefore the problem (very often…)
Buying alternatives from well known JLR resellers, with a reputation and name on the line is a better idea.
“End control” you know…
Driveline parts need another approach than “a radio or button” IMHO.
But i presume that is not what you want to hear Best regards
Harold
Always looking for Pre '55's & Pre war British Motorcycles! knowing or having one for sale? PM please. I visit the UK 6 times a year
Ps. I edit my texts quite often, english is not my native language, so I will edit My “typo’s” etc.
10th May 2023 7:58 am
Moo D3 Decade
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Location: Wiltshire
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£40 a pair from AF. But I accept Brexit will make it more expensive for you, but I'm sure can source them in France / EU.
Anyway, I'm not sure its really worth the time and hassle looking for such a low cost item.New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
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10th May 2023 8:48 am
Brian Considine
Member Since: 05 Dec 2022
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kajtzu wrote:
But would I buy blindly something from AliExpress? No, I would not
IMHO that's a bit of a sweeping statement......
I buy a fair amount of electronic bits from AliExpress - timers, voltage regulators, LED's & suchlike & will continue to do so.
However, would I buy safety related parts from them (or any other unknown source) - no, definitely not. Any such parts are sourced locally where you have easy redress if there are any issues.
10th May 2023 9:01 am
darrind
Member Since: 04 Jul 2008
Location: In A World of My Own!
Posts: 2863
kajtzu wrote:
Note that technically “Delphi” (acquired by BWI) are Chinese as the acronym means BeijingWest Industries.
BWI is BorgWarner International based in Michigan - wasn’t aware they are ChineseMust stop buying shiny toys....
10th May 2023 9:33 am
NTG
Member Since: 22 Oct 2022
Location: GAP
Posts: 28
Thanks for the quick responses!
I'm under no illusions... but I wonder.
The fact is that Chinese products have evolved considerably in many areas.
(The electric cars of tomorrow that Europeans will probably be the only ones to use exclusively will certainly be Chinese ("strange suicide" but that's not the point)
Motolab, thank you for your answer.
I understand the concept and the importance of the "final control" and its cost
It is certain that I would have preferred to hear that the Damper assembly sold at half price are of sufficient quality and that users are always satisfied after long distances.
But OK ...
If it's not...it's not.
Is that really not?
MOO, thanks for the link, I may have misspoken, but I was talking about Rear Damper assembliy. £600 a pair...
Anyway f.... brexit!
10th May 2023 9:37 am
waterbuoy
Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: Argyll
Posts: 2863
Moo wrote:
£40 a pair from AF. But I accept Brexit will make it more expensive for you, but I'm sure can source them in France / EU.
Anyway, I'm not sure its really worth the time and hassle looking for such a low cost item.
I think the OP was talking about suspension struts, not the tailgate?Currently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
Previously:
TD5 Defender 110 CSW (230k miles)
300TDi Disco 1 (289k)
4 RR Classics (300-350k each, 2 manual, 2 auto)
110 V8 CSW (220k)
S3 109 hi cap pickup (ex RN)
S2A 88 Safari SW with lpg conversion (bloody lethal)
10th May 2023 9:41 am
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 13932
In which case I defiantly wouldn't go the Aliexpress route!New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
10th May 2023 9:51 am
Motolab
Member Since: 18 Oct 2019
Location: Sleen
Posts: 1815
Quote:
The fact is that Chinese products have evolved considerably in many areas.
are they? or is is it bought in and stolen technology?
Quote:
It is certain that I would have preferred to hear that the Damper assembly sold at half price are of sufficient quality and that users are always satisfied after long distances. Very Happy
But OK ...
If it's not...it's not.
Is that really not? Rolling Eyes
people tend to believe what they want...
i have a company in automotive parts (not cars) myself.. we get called every single day for customer advice, BUT most of them do not want advice, they want confirmation of their own thoughts..
if we don't agree (in having a different advice) they will try to convince us several times, yes, BUT, yes but, yes but (youtube says, FB says) and then they buy their prefered stuff elsewere, where people just agree...
sometimes they get back to us, after buying dissapointed parts... and need to buy it again... (paying or beter buying"twice" in fact)
more important... buying directly from china, they almost never are liable for danger, bad parts, damage or even accidents & death... try it... IF... you can sent it back, on YOUR costs & to CHINA is massively expensive and maybe you get a refund or new part, NEVER the shipping costs though..
and in case of an accident due to bad parts, nobody is home... believe me... there is no name on the line in china, they do not care....
Taiwan traders and producing company's though.. we only have good experiences with them, since they do care generally and do excellent quality control (generally)
do what you think is best... but in the end it is your family inside your landy..Best regards
Harold
Always looking for Pre '55's & Pre war British Motorcycles! knowing or having one for sale? PM please. I visit the UK 6 times a year
Ps. I edit my texts quite often, english is not my native language, so I will edit My “typo’s” etc.
10th May 2023 10:00 am
Trailered Movements
Member Since: 16 Jan 2020
Location: East/West Sussex Coast Borders
Posts: 1198
You only get what you pay for.
My lad gets called out to fix Chinese fork trucks, pallet trucks and generators.
By and large, these items are scrap once a replacement part is needed.
Imagine buying a fork truck for under 10k, half the cost of a decent named one, and when a simple fault occurs, you are told the replacement part is unavailable.
You have to think, how is it possible to to make something at such low cost, where will the savings be made, material strength/quality, bearings, seals etc.
Overall lifetime costs and productivity should be a major reason for buying almost anything.
Dave2011 Discovery 4 Commercial SDV6 (Gone)
2010 RRS TDV8 (Gone)
1980 OBLIC 4.0ltr Range Rover (went a long time ago)
10th May 2023 10:11 am
Motolab
Member Since: 18 Oct 2019
Location: Sleen
Posts: 1815
people want to believe it IS the same stuff, because the oem stuff is also made in china sometimes..
BUT china is BIGGGG (China is 9.6 million km2, whilst the UK is 243,000 km2. That means that China is 39 times bigger than the UK) with a lot of copy cats who make copies of copies of copies..
if you buy 1000 pcs they even print LR brand or E-mark or.. CE, or whatever on it...
doen't mean it is certified thoughBest regards
Harold
Always looking for Pre '55's & Pre war British Motorcycles! knowing or having one for sale? PM please. I visit the UK 6 times a year
Ps. I edit my texts quite often, english is not my native language, so I will edit My “typo’s” etc.
10th May 2023 10:18 am
rrhool
Member Since: 28 Aug 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 4405
darrind wrote:
kajtzu wrote:
Note that technically “Delphi” (acquired by BWI) are Chinese as the acronym means BeijingWest Industries.
BWI is BorgWarner International based in Michigan - wasn’t aware they are Chinese
kajtzu is correct, Delphi was acquired by BWI (Beijing West Industries)
No issues with them, I'd say they were grey market, in that they were pretty much perfect as far as I could tell, but missing any stickers and the Land Rover badge on the rubber was blanked either on the mold or after production, could actually still partially make out the letters.
By grey market, I mean produced by the genuine manufacturer but sold unofficially. I'd say the big risk with grey market is that quality control might not be as good as the genuine channels, or they may be factory seconds/rejects. Unfortunately with my sample of 1, or should I say 4, its hard to say if I was just lucky.
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