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Thanks Turbo chip .
Good informative phone call , i will ring soon m8
thanks again bell
2nd Feb 2006 6:44 pm
John@DNA
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Doesn't CMD's OBD MPCProg work with the Siemens SID201 ECU's?
2nd Feb 2006 7:12 pm
LRtuning
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No they cant
The only siemens ecu's that they can programme diagnostically (OBD) are
SIEMENS SID-803 / SID-803A Peugeot ones, which use K-line communication and not canBUS like the SID201 found in the TDV6Money talks.Sex sells.Mud sticks.Time flys. happens.People talk.Impressions last!
2nd Feb 2006 7:19 pm
John@DNA
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What else do you cover other than the SID201 on the TDV6?
2nd Feb 2006 7:25 pm
LRtuning
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John
Do you mean as a tuning company?
We can do the whole range of Bosch ME7, EDc15 and most EDc16 and ME9 ecu's diagnostically now
As for LR we can chip all LR's including P38, TD4, TD5, TD6 and petrols Money talks.Sex sells.Mud sticks.Time flys. happens.People talk.Impressions last!
2nd Feb 2006 7:30 pm
John@DNA
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You're doing all ME9's via OBD? Even the 128bit RSA Encrypted BMW ME9's?
ME9 is very different across it's applications, you can't just talk to one - talk to all, all have different protocols as I'm sure you're aware, or did you mean via BDM? Cause if you can OBD all ME9, EDC16 I'm sure I'd have heard of you before today!
2nd Feb 2006 7:36 pm
LRtuning
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John
No we cant do all ME9 ecu's but around 60% via OBD
BMW's are a real problem for us at present and even if we and other tuners get to do it via OBD we'll still have BMW dealers updating ecus!!
Been in the UK for around 4 years now (officially) but originated in Northern Europe 12 years ago Money talks.Sex sells.Mud sticks.Time flys. happens.People talk.Impressions last!
2nd Feb 2006 7:55 pm
scorpio
Member Since: 26 Feb 2005
Location: Birmingham
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bellautos wrote:
Re warranty just make sure the reflash does not add a flash marker to the ecu if you have it done.
I would think from Autologics expertise there system will be the best , Or turbo chips
TC can you confirm or deny the flash marker
2nd Feb 2006 9:04 pm
10forcash
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too many TLA's around here.... i'm off for a gin before me head hurts
2nd Feb 2006 9:12 pm
bellautos
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scorpio wrote:
bellautos wrote:
Re warranty just make sure the reflash does not add a flash marker to the ecu if you have it done.
I would think from Autologics expertise there system will be the best , Or turbo chips
TC can you confirm or deny the flash marker
i can not comment on the tools used by autologic or TC
but what i can say is that normaly tools that flash ecus via obd add a marker to the flash counter to the ecu records,this is because they only read a part file (enigne running data only) just like the dealer tool would
This is due to the way most of them work.
There is 3 parts to the ecu in simple terms
part 1 = serial Eeprom this stores imobilser data chassis number )
part 2 = the CPU MPC555processer with internal Eeprom (stores flash hostory and info on running the serial Eeprom and the extrenal Eeprom and is the main communications port to the external eeprom)
part 3 = M58BW016DB PQFP external Eeprom stores engine running data AND flash history
some ecus store flash history differently this is only a example
using the older type tools we can read all 3 parts and re write them so that the external eeprom is re writen with the same data with ONLY the 1 flash that it would have from the factory.
The only downside to the older tools is that the ecu needs to be removed
These 3 files are read in FULL and modifyed with the same 1 flash marker in them
Using most OBD tools normaly read only the engine data and NOT the flash history.
so my consern is that when the re write is done the flash counter adds up
Im not trying to cause any bad vibes BUT i think this is a answer that needs proving as if the obd tools do add to the flash history peoples warranty will be void.
Yes i also agree that the landrover T4 test book can NOT see the reflash if the car has had it done BUT it will see a program date added if there was one.
Food for thaught me thinks
regards bell
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2nd Feb 2006 11:07 pm
simon
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mmm interesting...
2nd Feb 2006 11:32 pm
John@DNA
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Yes bell, I agree. With the hardware we're developing it's easy to flash, but doing via OBD and not leaving any trace is a completely different story.
The flash counter is the issue, when the next generation of ECU's come out I fear what level they take communication and encryption too!
2nd Feb 2006 11:39 pm
LRtuning
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We have no issues with 'flash' counters and as it can be switched off...we do this with our tuning on trucks Money talks.Sex sells.Mud sticks.Time flys. happens.People talk.Impressions last!
3rd Feb 2006 1:00 am
John@DNA
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turbochip wrote:
Quote:
TDV6 can not be tuned VIA OBD2 diagnostics port no matter where you read it. Unless they are using T4 .
or unless there is a NEW system that does do it .
Even the NEW vspire can not read and tune the siemens ecu via obd
regards bell
The above is incorrect...ourselves and Autologic are using our own communications platform to 'talk' to the engine management systems on TDV6.
And no we are not using T4 or any other type LR tool
Cheers for the email, although I was under the impression it was your own hardware which it's not, as per the pic you sent it's just byteshooter with the pic taken from their website! There are many, many people with this hardware, it's now called byteshooter but was called flashbooster before and the hardware is available here - www.byteshooter.de
3rd Feb 2006 12:32 pm
Pelyma
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So that yellow thing plugs into the port and you attach a laptop to it with the mapping?
Could that not be used like the superchips product for the mini, whereby you can add the remap and put it back yourself? You probably question why one would want to do this, but I don't buy the idea remapping is not visible, if you are looking for certain values they must be visible. I can buy the idea that dealers don't look for the values, but if something does go wrong and uncle Ford want to avoid a liability they must be able to tell that the ecu has been altered. In the same way you guys I presume can tell if you have already done a car.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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