catweasel
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snickers wrote:If you think the central diff lock and the electronics work so well, why do LR offer a rear diff lock?
DG wrote:There ain't anywhere I know of that a lockerless D3 hasn't been that a lockered one has ....just takes a little bit longer and a little more effort 
snickers wrote:The conclusion was that if I had a rear diff lock, the rear axle could have got me out of there.... (the rear wheels were not spinning..)
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snickers
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Quote:My suggestion to you is that you are not using the systems correctly, and you are making the basic error of not switching the DSC off when driving off-road. This will have a dramatic effect on the level of power and traction available. It does tell you to do this in the manual.
This is indeed very true Gareth, I agree that DSC cuts off the power and you lose momentum.....
But this still doesn't help you in all situations... It really is a difference between having / not having at least a rear diff lock... take a look at this presentation video from ARB... It shows very well the difference....
http://arb.com.au/arb-air-locker-video.php
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| 14th Jun 2007 3:36 pm |
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DG
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With all respect Snicker I don't think you quite appreciate fully how the D3 traction system works....for a start the traction control would not allow the D3 to become cross axled as shown by the lesser vehicle in the ARB video  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 14th Jun 2007 3:45 pm |
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catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
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here's some nice videos of the D3's ability
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| 14th Jun 2007 3:50 pm |
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catweasel
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DG wrote:as shown by the lesser vehicle in the ARB video
got your spoon back from JMC I see 
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| 14th Jun 2007 3:56 pm |
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sideview
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Rear locker does make some situations 'easier', but not necessarily impossible with open diffs, with the right vehicle (D3  ) and skill. The hills in that ARB vid were not that difficult looking and were not driven well. I'm not so good at giving advice...may I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
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| 14th Jun 2007 3:57 pm |
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DG
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CW  ...I thought you would know that ALL other vehicles are lesser to the D3  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 14th Jun 2007 3:58 pm |
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snickers
Member Since: 09 Jan 2007
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Quote:With all respect Snicker I don't think you quite appreciate fully how the D3 traction system works....
Oh, I really love the Disco, with all the good things and the bad things about it (suspension fault) and I am very proud of being a Disco owner...
I cannot imagine a better car than the Disco3 (maybe the Disco4?? ) and I would buy another one if I needed another car in my company (but with rear diff lock next time )....
Regarding the video, maybe you are right.... The Patrol doesn't have such a good technology as the Disco and maybe that's why it does need an aftermarket diff lock...
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| 14th Jun 2007 3:58 pm |
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snickers
Member Since: 09 Jan 2007
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Thank you catweasel, I appreciate that....
I know the D3 is very capable, my wish is just making it even better than it already is... That's why I thought with a rear diff lock it would be nicer.. but it seems my wishes are set too high...
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| 14th Jun 2007 4:05 pm |
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catweasel
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snickers wrote:but with rear diff lock next time
I understand your frustration (which is why I ordered mine with one )
DG wrote:CW ...I thought you would know that ALL other vehicles are lesser to the D3
I'd get me coat, but due to the weather I'm already wearing it
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| 14th Jun 2007 4:18 pm |
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DG
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....and welcome to the site Snickers BTW ..don't mind us and our sometimes eccentric quizzical methods 
Snickers eh ....it was so much tastier when it was called Marathon 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 14th Jun 2007 4:30 pm |
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Gareth
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..... and Starburst was Opal Fruits!
Ready..... 1,2,3
Opal Fruits made-to-make-your-mouth water!
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| 14th Jun 2007 4:33 pm |
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snickers
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Quote:....and welcome to the site Snickers BTW ..don't mind us and our sometimes excentric quizical methods
Don't worry DG, I regard you as my "big family" and I can't be upset with you....
Thank you anyway for the wishes...
And actually I like Mars more than Snickers...
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| 14th Jun 2007 4:39 pm |
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sideview
Member Since: 02 Dec 2006
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Yes, welcome to the site cousin
I think it's been explained before but I forget. Why specifically is it such a challenge to retro-fit the LR rear diff loc? I can understand how a 3rd party would be hard to integrate, but it seems some of the components are already in place (like the screen display). Seems they could have a software upgrade for it or something. I'm not so good at giving advice...may I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
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| 14th Jun 2007 4:53 pm |
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bkehoe
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What's needed is to replace the rear diff with the locking version - they are different, and even use different type oil for some reason, and to get the rear locking diff control box which plugs in at the side in the loadspace somewhere. Whether the wiring is present for both or not, I don't know, and even if it was, it may not be possible to make it work, even with IDS, but as the vehicle is set up for it in other ways, I'd suspect it may just work, but I'm not about to take the chance, are you? IE - 05 D3 TDV6 HSE - Zambezi Silver
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| 14th Jun 2007 6:47 pm |
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