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TallPaul
Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: Near Reading
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I laid it on the line for your time and time again, I am going to give you a damn good thrashing!
http://youtu.be/78b67l_yxUc
Disco is going this time, we have said it before, but this time we mean it.
Any car when the air-con pipes corrode through and cost £400 for two sets of pipes plus labour and gas after 5 years and 50K miles is designed and built like  in my opinion.
Having independent LR specialist repair it with genuine LR parts (which they had in stock, funny that being a high demand item, maybe its the good design?) then its off to the classified section with her.
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 6th Jun 2012 12:58 pm |
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bigdave
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Member Since: 04 Jul 2008
Location: Cornwall
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I know your pain brother - been there so many times.
But i cant let her go.
I have all but re built it after all!!
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| 6th Jun 2012 1:02 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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TallPaul wrote:
Any car when the air-con pipes corrode through and cost £400 for two sets of pipes plus labour and gas after 5 years and 50K miles is designed and built like in my opinion.
A very common problem with lots of makes tbh 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 6th Jun 2012 1:07 pm |
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muddywheels4wd
Member Since: 16 Dec 2010
Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 1659
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Same thing happened to my FL1 - just in the 3 year warranty thank goodness  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
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| 6th Jun 2012 1:09 pm |
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nigel207
Member Since: 26 Mar 2009
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 1344
 
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My mum' two year old Nissan Note is in today for a new air con condenser. Not damaged, just falling to bits. Fortunately being done under warranty, but nevertheless..........
I must admit though that for such expensive and supposedly rugged vehicles, LR products do leave a lot to be desired, but then again so do a lot of Uber machines and far Eastern efforts when folk take off the rose tinted glasses and admit the truth.
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| 6th Jun 2012 1:40 pm |
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seddie
Member Since: 23 Mar 2010
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 414
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Know how you feel, can't live with them, probably can live comfortably without them. 
Just got rid of mine after 2 years of Engine System Faults, new steering rack, new brake calipers and pipes, suspension faults, clutch judders, etc. and just done 65,000 miles. Still the best thing I have ever driven, but life's too short.
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| 6th Jun 2012 1:51 pm |
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disco_steve
Member Since: 25 Aug 2009
Location: Are you sure this is the M5 ?
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If everything was built using stainless steel it would last for years
But we wouldn't want to pay the extra cost when buying the car  Never get mad - get even !!
06 D3 now gone to family member and still going strong at 265k
previous vehicles:
04 D2 TD5 - (clocked 189k from new)
52 X-Trail 2.2 SVE
various euro boxes !
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| 6th Jun 2012 2:09 pm |
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nigel207
Member Since: 26 Mar 2009
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 1344
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disco_steve wrote:If everything was built using stainless steel it would last for years
But we wouldn't want to pay the extra cost when buying the car
Or more to the point, it would eat into LR's no doubt huge profits! 
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| 6th Jun 2012 2:35 pm |
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TallPaul
Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: Near Reading
Posts: 1214
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@bigdave I know, but I say that every time the big bill comes! Just changed the front discs and pads Monday, and the drives door lock as it kept locking the wife in! 
@DG not my experience, in fact I have had loads of Alfa's - the make that breaks right? 156 I had for 5 years with perfect air-con, the GT after that for 7 years still as cold as a icelandic freezer the day she went. In fact the GT over 7 years had 1 issue (yes 1) for weeping clutch slave seal - Disco can't get its habit down to 1 per month!
@muddywheels at least the product range is consistent!
@nigel207 sure everything breaks, the problem is add up all the problems on every car I ever owned and your still about same tally as one year of Disco ownership!
and PROFITS - go straight to India now!
@seddie I am with you!
@discosteve sure not stainless, but the foam padding sponge that holds the water in next to the pipe.... err... who designed that!
So basically the rose tinted glasses are well and truly off after the bank manager punched me in the face and broke them.
There is a reason Disco4 has no rear air-con... its a design that's not fit for purpose, same bloke on the same Friday afternoon that designed the EPB, clutch and EGR valves no doubt.
So far think we had:
- small issues from second hand new, fog lights etc
- tailgate lock failed
- suspension bushes worn/replaced
- Transfer box failure 
- EPB issues x20 (feels like, maybe 5) until I adjusted them myself with bodsy guide
- EPB motor FAILURE just outside warranty - LR covered
(warranty ended)
- CLUTCH FAILURE at 40K. "faulty flywheel mass caused failure" - LR pays half.
- Drivers door lock
- aircon pipes corroded centre & rear
- oh and bent wiper arm, as muppets who did the non folding wiper arm for snow/ice also didn't program auto-wipe to disable below 0c so it tries to pull frozen blade up the screen. Yes, like other car's with auto wipers have...
I am sure if I go back through the doorstop of a folder there are a few more.
Her time is limited... I will not forget!
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| 6th Jun 2012 8:01 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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TallPaul wrote:
@DG not my experience,
Well I'll give you that it's not a 'common' problem even for D3's ....but it is common to all makes ...just do a search and you will see ....here's an example from Toyota's forum http://www.tlocuk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.p...f14f4fdebf  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 6th Jun 2012 8:13 pm |
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nigel207
Member Since: 26 Mar 2009
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 1344
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Tallpaul, I do know where you're coming from, believe me. I had a D3 for three years and after three days the first egr valve packed up. Since then my heart was in my mouth every time I went out in it. I put up with it (most of the time it was fine, but it did have a number of problems over the years), and eventually enough was enough, and it had to go. The final straw was when it decided to go into limp mode whilst towing the caravan uphill when I was overtaking! Sticking turbo again - previous one replaced 15 months before.
The problem was then what to replace it with? I looked at every option (every manufacturer I could think of - most of which I had driven under test conditions), but rightly or wrongly there was only one replacement. Good luck.
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| 6th Jun 2012 9:03 pm |
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TallPaul
Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: Near Reading
Posts: 1214
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DG - point taken, Toyota are crap too  
nigel207 - with the wife on maternity leave still, D4 not an option at the moment... plus D4 was huge let down for me, where was the weight reduction and the new engines? Best to wait for the part electric one to hit FFRR and filter down - but will they ever build a D5? TATA/LR seem to be about putting a pretty party frock on a country girl (Evoque from a freelander) for big profit to me of late.
In any case, I am still grumpy. And it needs a wash.
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| 6th Jun 2012 10:10 pm |
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B16 KJR
Member Since: 10 Jul 2006
Location: Rosyth, Fife
Posts: 3005
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Quote:but the foam padding sponge that holds the water in next to the pipe.... err... who designed that!
Quite agree, bad design.
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| 7th Jun 2012 11:26 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
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It's a complex vehicle that is capable of doing so many things well. Yes they breakdown but not as much as we think they do and some design is poor but as a package it's unbeatable.
I've had my old bus 7 1/2 years. It had early teething problems but all resolved. Looked at buying a D4 but it doesn't really offer that much more than mine so I'll keep her and wait for a D5 or the equivalent.
The question is, what do you replace it with? Keep the faith and keep the D3.
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| 12th Jun 2012 10:03 am |
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TallPaul
Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: Near Reading
Posts: 1214
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easy: something euro hatchback that does 60mpg, has £30 road tax and doesn't croak a £700 bill out twice a year!
At least it didn't break down in France last week, probably the last minute AA cover we took out!
Convinced it was leaning one side yesterday, hoping its just the slope it was on, 5 years about right time for all the airbags to fail I expect...
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| 18th Jun 2012 9:57 pm |
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