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RRSTDV8

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DG wrote:
Agreed Paul ...but the main thrust of this thread was to discuss an assertion that the sales figures were down ...discussions about why will always ensue from that.

It is interesting to note that whenever sales figures are produced demonstrating that they match the best figures of the D3\4 years ...that this is still not good enough to some.

I think there is one issue that we also forget when it comes to comparing D5 sales with those of the earlier models - the marketplace. Back when the D3 ruled the roost, there weren't that many true 7-seaters available. Disco, XC90 (the old one), Q7 and a couple of the old clunky Japanese 4x4s. That was about it, really. These days there is much more choice for those who want a big 7-seater and there has been a social mood change away from big 4x4s as "safe school run cars": modern crossovers and the car-van thingies (VW Touran, for example) give all of the space, practicality and safety of a d3 without the off road bits, of course, but with much, much better fuel economy. My friend's Touran gives better mpg when fully loaded-up than I can get in my RRS downhill with the engine off!

It seems to me that for the D5 to be matching the earlier model's sales figures is anything but an indictment in the current climate. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"

14th Jun 2018 10:20 am

Red Merle

Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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@ DG: I mis-read you earlier comment.

I read “only one going to drive one”, rather than “only now going to drive one.

Apologies

2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car

2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)

14th Jun 2018 10:23 am

DG
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Hey come on ...nobody died

14th Jun 2018 10:38 am

LT

Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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2016 Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 Landmark LE Auto Santorini Black

DG wrote:
LT wrote:
DG wrote:
Are you LT and Red Merle? ...that would figure too

Weird!

Only stated that because RM appeared to answer a comment directed to you

Good luck with the loner. I'll assume a fair amount of negativity in advance. Let's see if I'm right

If you read back through my posts about the D5 you’ll see that I’ve said a number of times that I’ve never ruled out the possibility that I might own one in the future and whilst I don’t like the deisgn, especially the rear, that wouldn’t be a deal beaker for me. My main negatives have always been the leg room, overall driving position, tail gate and shape of the load area.
I’ve always been happy for those who find that the D5 is well suited for their needs. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography

14th Jun 2018 10:55 am

DG
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I was typing with tongue in cheek of course

. I'm still planning a warts and all report shortly ...as even for me, there are many, many likes .....but also some irritations.

14th Jun 2018 11:00 am

LT

Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23330

RRSTDV8 wrote:
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If you don't need the 7 seats and superior off road ability.

The off road ability is basically the same, just as it was with the D3/D4/RRS.
The RRS2's on road ability is better than the D5's just as the RRS1 was better on road than the D3/D4. 8)

Basically, if you want a bus, buy the D5, otherwise buy the RRS and enjoy a nicer driver, nicer interior, the possibility of superior performance with a greater engine choice and all of the off road ability.

Whilst the underpinnings were the same, the D3 was noticeable in its ability to go off road where the RRS1 couldn’t. I’ve first hand experience of this and seen the resulting damage.

I expect the same applies to the D5 and RRS2. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography

14th Jun 2018 11:02 am

Pelyma

Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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DG wrote:
I was typing with tongue in cheek of course . I'm still planning a warts and all report shortly ...as even for me, I have many, many likes .....but also some irritations.

Really

DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S

14th Jun 2018 11:35 am

DG
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itchy & scratchy

14th Jun 2018 11:51 am

jimbg

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14th Jun 2018 12:11 pm

RRSTDV8

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LT wrote:

Whilst the underpinnings were the same, the D3 was noticeable in its ability to go off road where the RRS1 couldn’t. I’ve first hand experience of this and seen the resulting damage.
I expect the same applies to the D5 and RRS2.

Was this on the same tyre - one of the problems the RRS1 faced was that LR stuck it on a more tarmac oriented tyre than the Disco.

The ground clearance is much the same, from memory the approach angle is better on the Disco but the departure angle slightly better on the RRS1. The big issue with the RRS1 is the design decision to wrap the doors down to the cill where the D3's doors don't - hence why Discos have easy access to fit sliders where the RRS doesn't. The silly stick-on plastic bits at the bottom of the RRS's doors are prone to catching too but they clip on/off so no big issue there.

RRS2 and D5 share ground clearance to within a few mm and angles are as per the originals - RRS slightly worse at the front, slightly better at the rear.

Ultimate off road ability is a bit of a joke with these vehicles anyway - they all come on silly big shiny wheels with tiny sidewalls. All face the same problems of fitting smaller wheels/tyres too as they share brakes etc.

Watching some of the Aussie youtube videos of RRS, Discos etc doing serious off road trips, they all seem to be about the same in ability - the tyre is the key factor. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"

14th Jun 2018 12:23 pm

LT

Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23330

From memory the RRS1 had lower angles for Approach, Ramp and Departure in comparison. Lower profile tyres don't help off-road either. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography

14th Jun 2018 1:33 pm

Tripe

Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 285

2007 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Zermatt Silver

This topic would only be 2 pages long, if DG and J77, were banned from commenting.

Zero D5's spotted in the last month, I think its 6 months since I've spotted one on the road.

Current LR dealership offers, for EOFY sales, have 5 years worth of free servicing and warranty, plus $2500 fuel card and 2 LR corporate tickets to the Invictus games.

Last week, I Watched a wholesale auction for a low mileage 2014 Discovery SE, it sold 15% above wholesale price. Several bidders really wanted that car.

18th Jun 2018 6:49 am

Red Merle

Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438

DG will be along in a minute to helpfully explain how Land Rover simply can’t build enough of them and if you’re observing any kind of shortfall then it is, once again, simply reality that’s got it wrong!

2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car

2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)

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18th Jun 2018 6:58 am

DiscoStu

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Posts: 11412

LT wrote:
From memory the RRS1 had lower angles for Approach, Ramp and Departure in comparison. Lower profile tyres don't help off-road either.

I remember off-roading at Yarwell(?) and VA pulled the front valance of of his RRS as he attempted to climb a hill - he popped it back on and spent the rest of the day reversing up the hills! The D3's were fine. Disco 5 HSE Lux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peyiqaJrmMU

18th Jun 2018 7:03 am

Gareth
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Yes but Mr Very Annoyed would rip the sump off a Defender if he got the chance. Once the red mist descended, he WAS going to get through!

Remember VA’s crossing on Salisbury plain? He took his RRs to new ‘depths’

18th Jun 2018 7:19 am