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We'd love to NEXIT !
25th Jun 2018 11:53 pm
Dan_NL
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DG wrote:
Those bloody foreigners eh ..you should have Holexit The truth is Dan that the market of SUV's\4x4 in 2010 is much, much wider in 2018
So if the market is wider, there is more demand.. .. makes it even WORSE for D [oggy] 5..
Indeed, SUV's are mainstream I've heared.. .. D5 goes UPSTREAM..
25th Jun 2018 11:56 pm
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If the market is wider it is more diluted
25th Jun 2018 11:58 pm
Dan_NL
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Its not more diluted : there are more products on offer...
And a strong brand channels the wider flow in her OWN sales channels, not those of Volvo/BMW, who ALSO had SUV's when the D3 arrived..
Look ate Mercedes ; they still have the SAME MODEL SUV, and it sells better then the D5....
Don't change tactics when you are on a winning streak..
26th Jun 2018 12:08 am
LT
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There’s now a larger choice of small and midsize 4x4 SUV’s, but are there any more full sized 5 or 7 seaters now? Of course the models are new ones, but the direct competition remains the same doesn’t it?
ETA-The Shogun is still the same model 😳2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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26th Jun 2018 12:12 am
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Its not more diluted : there are more products on offer..
26th Jun 2018 12:15 am
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That picture is NOT taken in Holland, we only to FULL size, not twinkies..
.. medium size below, enough for a football team for a day..
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Below : for woman and beginners..
26th Jun 2018 12:24 am
Dan_NL
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LT wrote:
There’s now a larger choice of small and midsize 4x4 SUV’s, but are there any more full sized 5 or 7 seaters now? Of course the models are new ones, but the direct competition remains the same doesn’t it?
ETA-The Shogun is still the same model 😳
Exactly my point !
Only the D3 / XC 90 / BMW X5 / Touareg were the full size then. Now volume shifts to XC90..
I also look at the XC 90 as the prices are far more realistic.
After the BREXIT the import duties come on top of those prices , and no D5 will be sold again,
unless they transfer production to Hungaria or such..
Just look at the news at what Harley Davidson is doing ; transfer capacity to the end markets.
26th Jun 2018 12:29 am
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XC90 is half the motor for a similar price
26th Jun 2018 1:00 am
LT
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Don’t forget the Q7. I see very few of them around here nowadays.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
26th Jun 2018 1:05 am
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Not here. The XC90 has far less CO2 output and thats where they're taxed on, so the end price is 15% lower.
I think JLR overplayed their hand by RAISING prices in 2017 & 2018, while the exchange GBP/EURO went way lower .
They should have slightly reduce the prices, still make more profit in GBP, ánd gain market share...
THEY WERE TOO GREEDY..
Now they try to offload cars with 35% discount : one year old DS was list 72k now for 47k , with only 8800km and no 1st owner.. registered in 2017.
That s equal to normally 3 years depreciation. They ruin the market now : first buyers write of 35% too , customers they'll loose.
Dealers are stuck with too expesive trade ins, and the diesel bann , ánd the DPF for petrol cars outdating the rest of the stock..
Not to mention the new way of measuring the CO2 output.. Just 20 gr CO2 extra translates into a 10K RISE in taxation.
One thing JLR if not good at, its fuelconsumption hence CO2 output..
They made their own perfect storm.
Other thing : curb weight. An Evoque cabrio weighs more then an XC90 , so you pay monstrous amounts of roadtax as that is based on the weight ..
Volvo [ the chinese ] play it smart ; a tweeky bit less topnotch tech for a knock down price...
Like the old japcars were, but now they run the show next door instead other face of the world..
The future is grimm for JLR on the continent, unless they rake it in with the I-Pace quickly.
26th Jun 2018 1:08 am
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I Just read some sales figures in Oz,
From memory, LR, were aiming at 350 sales a month.
Late 2018, they were lucky to move 150 month.
And the other thing I have noticed is an avalanche of Late model disco sports being dumped at the wholesale auctions.
Last year there would be 5-6 DS a week going to auction, this week it is over 60, and they are not selling as they have near retail buy it now prices instead of wholesale. I reckon LR, are putting new stock into LR corporate cars an then dumping them to auction after 5-10000kms, to generate turnover.
19th Apr 2019 11:01 pm
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That doesn't only happen in Oz. We have regularl cars sold at auction,
but bidding goes far to high as most don't have a clue what's hanging over the market.
Now I see 2015/2016 return to dealers that punt them on the market at 50% original
sales price but give 2yr guarantee. With this they kill grey import compitition.
Loads fo diesels will flood the market here since Germany wants to rid them..
19th Apr 2019 11:08 pm
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60 units to 'generate' turnover
....despite any market woes, they still generated £17.4 billion in turnover into the last three months of 2018 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
19th Apr 2019 11:18 pm
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DG - your defence of LR is as passionate and religious as highland's defence of a no-deal Brexit. LR can do no wrong for you, can they? Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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The truth is Dan that the market of SUV's\4x4 in 2010 is much, much wider in 2018 
