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SDV6 3.0 Gen III - seized crank; 70,000 mls
My current Land Rover is a 2013 D4. Purchased new in early 2013 and becoming my sixth Land Rover owned over a 25 year period. Currently also running a TD5 2004, also purchased new and now on 160k, with barely a spanner having been applied. Both vehicles diligently serviced in house by myself - until now!
D4 rattled to a sudden halt, early December during sharp acceleration from a T-junction with a cold engine. Cut to the chase; the engine crank seized, due to oil starvation. No oil lights or drivers warnings were visible (until the engine stopped). JLR recovered and on inspection of engine, identified a very low level of oil. Where did the oil go? That's not JLR's problem.. Should the engine monitoring not warn if the oil level is critically low? Well, yes, but, it's a requirement that maintenance is done regularly, and that includes checking oil.. Sorry, but you will have to pay us for a new engine...
Please can anyone provide references for NWS regarding recon engine (or any other providers)?
7th Jan 2016 4:11 pm
CFB
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Eeek, only heard of 2.7's failing, not 3.0's, sorry to hear this.
Was this just a case of a missed service and low oil or something more sinister that owners need to watch for?
7th Jan 2016 4:14 pm
geoff.
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theres been a few D4 engines going pop that i know of
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7th Jan 2016 4:19 pm
Micheal Summers
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Servicing is up to date. I'm suspecting oil level reflects an error somewhere in the sensor and hence, insufficient oil was added during the last change.
Once I started speaking to the trade (no main dealers - mainly engine reman specialists) it has become apparent to me that this is not actually an uncommon occurrence. The reason the earlier engines appear more prone is simply a function of hours used. Important to bear in mind that the SDV6 3.0 is actually practically the same engine as the TDV6 2.7 and the TDV6 3.0, other than the obvious 50ml additional space in each pot, an increased air supply (via additional 'pre' turbo) and an improved fuel injection set up - I guess primarily to achieve Euro reg obligations (JLR software boys not being as innovative as VAG!).
Beware, the crank bearings on these engines may yet cause misery for all!
7th Jan 2016 4:27 pm
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Far far less common on the 3.0 ... but they are nevertheless still vulnerable.
How did they prove that you hadn't carried out the maintenance ? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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7th Jan 2016 4:29 pm
Micheal Summers
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Thank you. Humm.. not an overly supportive review...
7th Jan 2016 4:41 pm
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Micheal Summers wrote:
The reason the earlier engines appear more prone is simply a function of hours used. Important to bear in mind that the SDV6 3.0 is actually practically the same engine as the TDV6 2.7 and the TDV6 3.0, other than the obvious 50ml additional space in each pot, an increased air supply (via additional 'pre' turbo) and an improved fuel injection set up - I guess primarily to achieve Euro reg obligations (JLR software boys not being as innovative as VAG!).
Beware, the crank bearings on these engines may yet cause misery for all!
There were changes to seating the crank at build and a redesigned oil drain which made the 3.0 far more resilient than the 2.7 ...not saying it couldn't happen on a D4 obviously but the risk is greatly reduced.
It still doesn't make sense if it has been serviced correctly then surely someone has to hold their hands up 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
7th Jan 2016 4:42 pm
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Oh for a simple device called a dipstick.
7th Jan 2016 5:48 pm
GLYNNE
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My thoughts as well
Seemed so much easier
7th Jan 2016 5:51 pm
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DSL wrote:
Oh for a simple device called a dipstick.
Bruce should be along in just a moment...
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7th Jan 2016 5:52 pm
Mark6r
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I was just about to type that as well!
Having just bought a new renualt master van for work you get the oil level on start up every time thought they had gone the same as Landrover but they still give you a dipstick to double check that there is oil there.
Change is not always for the better.
7th Jan 2016 5:55 pm
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Interesting that the new Ingenium engine doesn't have a dipstick. My old F11 5 series had the same electronic trickery but it also had a old fashioned dipstick, it just didn't tell you about it in the manual.
7th Jan 2016 5:58 pm
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Nothing to do with me just thought of this thread when browsing
7th Jan 2016 9:22 pm
Nick Evans
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Eurojag for a 2nd hand engine would probably be your best bet, I didn't think there were many genuine rebuild parts available so would be wary of "reconditioned"engines .
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