Gaza
Member Since: 08 Jan 2009
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| Sorry, but it is not a D4, more like a D3.5 |
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Was at my local stealers today getting my 15k service and a couple of minor warranty bits done. They didn't have any D4s in the showroom but the salesman took me outside to look at a demo (HSE) that they were about to put on the road. Sitting in a line of D3s I failed to spot it. It wasn't until he opened it and the lights flashed that I took notice of the grill. Inside the dash and console are very different but things such as the upper and lower glovebox haven't changed. Obviously the engine is new and the suspension has been tweaked but I was unable to try it out.
I've been ambivalent around the debate on whether there has been enough of a change from the D3 to justify calling it a D4 but having seen one in the flesh I'm firmly on the "facelifted D3" side of the argument. The RRS has had a similar treatment but is still being called the RRS and not RRS2 so why did LR feel the need to move the D3 to D4?
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the kergan
Member Since: 01 Dec 2008
Location: Swindon Wiltshire
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Yep have to agree, when the first Freelander was given a facelift it was called just that. And the freelander had a complete new dash and bigger changes to the front end, the whole shape of the lights were completely changed.
The D4 is nice but as far as the look of the interior goes from behind the front seats very little has changed apart from the door handles and a couple of minor bits.
I want to stay with a manual car so I would have to have the GS which has no changes to the engine or gearbox. I have something to say! It's better to burn out... than to fade away!
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| 3rd Sep 2009 4:57 pm |
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Stu
Member Since: 08 Feb 2009
Location: Hampshire
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I read that it has had over 300 parts change, which I thought was quite a lot until I also read that there are over 3000 parts in a range rover seat!  Not sure how true all of that is, but a D4 is certainly not a big change from a D3. Personally I don't mind if they call it a D3 or D4 it's just marketing bo  ks and I am not going to stress about it. Still I've got one for a weekend test drive soon and a half day LRE in one so that should be good. D3 HSE MY05 Auto
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| 3rd Sep 2009 5:24 pm |
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Popelka
Member Since: 31 May 2008
Location: Praha (Prague)
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wasn't it something to do with using the D3 label on the new 7 seater Freelander ?? (read it somewhere) Experience is a difficult teacher, because she gives the test first and then the lesson afterwards!!!!
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| 3rd Sep 2009 5:40 pm |
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110CSW
Member Since: 19 Oct 2005
Location: Scotland
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I think everyone would agree with you. Its a mid-life facelift and no more. Don't care what they call it. In a couple of years I will upgrade but have to finish changing gears for myself first. 2014MY Discovery
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| 3rd Sep 2009 6:58 pm |
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BBS SPY
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As you might imagine we are looking as to what changes there are in the new line up so as to be prepared.
Therefore we already have quite a good grasp of the underlying electronic changes the D4, 2010 FFRR and RRS have and they have all changed quite significantly in some respects.
So i will throw in my tuppence worth for what its worth.
While we all know that ownership of LR has changed, it seems these changes are 100% Ford.
Ford are owners of multi brands and a lot of their brands have always shared technology, which has been grouped by platforms. Many will know that the D3 and RRS share the T5 platform. This is primarily a Volvo one and most if not all the technology employed in the D3 was and is Volvo based.
Since about 2006 however Ford have been re grouping things into a platform known as the EUCD platrorm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EUCD_platform
And the new LR models or 2010 variants of existing ones are simply the latest additions to this platform. In fact the FFRR is the 25th addition to the group, the first was the defender.
Many of you will be familiar with our work in respect of decoding and editing the CCF data block held by the D3 / RR sport, which for those who are not is simply a large block of data stored in an ECU of the vehicle that describes and controls every configurable aspect of the vehicle. We note that exact the same block of data is present in the later line up as the earlier one, however there is also now a second even bigger block called the EUCD CCF.
This EUCD data block is the only one present in the new Defender and freelander 2 and we have also encountered it in all the other members of the EUCD platform that we have managed to borrow,
We have naturally already decoded this new EUCD block and made an editor, however this is primarily due to its usage in the Defender an Freelander 2 rather than its usage in the new LR line up.
heres a link to an early example for anyone who might be interested to see whats possible etc.
http://www.blackbox-solutions.com/photos/CCF_EUCD_Disco4.htm
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| 3rd Sep 2009 7:18 pm |
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kerb climber
Member Since: 06 Jul 2009
Location: oop north
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Heartbeat sensor ?? Is that to stop zombies nicking your ride? Don't know about intelligent driver system either, that could lose me my licence.
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| 3rd Sep 2009 9:13 pm |
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Gareth
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Alcohol Interlock
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| 3rd Sep 2009 11:24 pm |
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2DISCO3ORNOT
Member Since: 27 Apr 2009
Location: at sea
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D3 D4 D5 FR6 RR8 ad inf. its all marketing , you pay your money when you can and take your chances with the manufacturing gods and hope to hell you get lucky 
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| 3rd Sep 2009 11:56 pm |
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roystonh
Member Since: 26 Feb 2007
Location: Kent
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HI Gazza
You've got to drive it to tell the difference and its immense!
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| 3rd Sep 2009 11:58 pm |
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2DISCO3ORNOT
Member Since: 27 Apr 2009
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Don't get me wrong  I wish I could afford one,  but D308 to D409 ............is it really driving 20K more impressively  If anything sorts it out it will be this forum. 
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| 4th Sep 2009 12:14 am |
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Bodsy
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Alcohol Interlock is for the states. Some insurers give you extra discount if you fit an Alcohol sensor Bodsys Brake Bible
D4/D3 Remote FBH heat kits
BAS Remaps/ EGR Blank
Transmission Flush
Software updates/enabling
Clock/ SNOTM /3Flash / 4x4Info /BT Update /Service Reset/Error Codes / Gearbox Reset
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| 4th Sep 2009 1:11 am |
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Bodsy
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Has an option for 'Battery Rear' wonder if that's their plan to fit the extra battery that they've kicked out of the Aux box? Bodsys Brake Bible
D4/D3 Remote FBH heat kits
BAS Remaps/ EGR Blank
Transmission Flush
Software updates/enabling
Clock/ SNOTM /3Flash / 4x4Info /BT Update /Service Reset/Error Codes / Gearbox Reset
See It Here
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| 4th Sep 2009 1:14 am |
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BBS SPY
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well i promise i did not make any of it up and all i can say is that they seem to be covering all the possibilities.
perhaps the fact that they also own Aston Martin might account for some of it with the 007 link 
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| 4th Sep 2009 12:06 pm |
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razzle
Member Since: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Tas
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It is definitely a mid life face lift, and should be a D3 Series 2, the problem for the D4, is that it is now a new model and can't ride off the success (i.e. awards, and loyal following) of the D3 like a D3 Series 2 could.
The D4 is now a new model and has a "clean slate" and needs to sell its self to me and start to wins some awards/accolades. I am due to replace my D3 in Jan, I will most likely put an aftermarket chip in, and get an extended factory warranty and keep the D3 for a few more years. Trust me, what could go wrong?
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