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stchris wrote:
That's exactly like the one I removed from my old engine!
Did it break between 2nd and 3rd pistons?
It was an 07MY RRS, with 67k miles. No evidence of water ingress, bent rod, overheating, no scored journals. Looks just like a catastrophic failure...My D3 Build Thread
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Exactly the same!
12th Feb 2014 5:02 pm
B16 KJR
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Don't you think you are being a bit alarmist, after all my crank is fine so I don't see how this one can be broken, has it been verified by at least 6 different independent engineers that its actually broken or is that only your opinion
12th Feb 2014 5:46 pm
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12th Feb 2014 6:31 pm
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12th Feb 2014 6:36 pm
tommohawk69
Member Since: 20 Aug 2013
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I have seen a similar failure on an 06 D3 where the timing belt was replaced 5000 miles prior to the failure. In my line of work I have also seen this type of failure on 12 litre V6 industrial engines where the fan drive belt was over tensioned. This puts a harmonic vibration into the crank resulting in fatigue fracture and catastrophic engine failure, though I have also seen them running with a broken crankshaft!
This led me to check the failed D3 and the timing belt was like a fiddle string, certainly tighter than normal. No damage to mains or big ends either, as in your experience on this topic.
Was the belt replaced recently on the engine you have there?Buckingham Blue 2005 2.7 TDV6 HSE
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12th Feb 2014 6:46 pm
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B16 KJR wrote:
12th Feb 2014 6:49 pm
tomtom86
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Disco_Mikey wrote:
stchris wrote:
That's exactly like the one I removed from my old engine!
Did it break between 2nd and 3rd pistons?
It was an 07MY RRS, with 67k miles. No evidence of water ingress, bent rod, overheating, no scored journals. Looks just like a catastrophic failure...
That's bloody ridiculous! Take it you are just doing engine swap Mike? Has the customer not thought about contacting lr?
12th Feb 2014 7:14 pm
Disco_Mikey
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The car was recently sold from a local prestige dealer (as prestigious as Dundee gets anyway) and it was another garage in their group who booked it in. Suspect it may be a warranty issue from themselves...
They never stripped the engine, and by the time we found this, it was way too late to do anything about it. If I get bored/quiet, I'll stick it in my own D3, and see what LR say
tommohawk69 wrote:
Was the belt replaced recently on the engine you have there?
This, I don't know. They car came with the belt cover off, and belt removed. He said all the bits that were taken off were in the car, but oddly, no cambelt...My D3 Build Thread
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12th Feb 2014 10:06 pm
axle14
Member Since: 25 Mar 2014
Location: Slovenija
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Hi to everybody...
Same thing happend to me 2 weeks ago!!!
Broken crankshaft. Car has only 150kkm (les than 100 miles if im correct).
It's a 08 model year.
Actually it's not my car but it's my friend's car im just helping nim out of this.
I'm (was) a LR fun too, but now i would think twice to buy one.
It's an outstanding machine, I agree on that, but such a failure on an engine with automatic transmission and soo low milage it's not acceptable.
The car is out of warranty and to repair a failure like that would cost around 10.000€ here. You could buy a small new car for that amount of money.
Im asking if there is any chance that the LR company would take this as a manufacturing defect and as such repairs covered by the company?
Im a little scared too that this could happen a second time if we use the same engine another time.
Im thinking of sending an email to the company.
Can i expect an answer from them or will they just ignore me?
Sorry for my english. It's not my native language.
Thanks for all your interest, time and help as we really don't know what to do at this point.
Maybe another useful info is that the car was bought brand new and regularly serviced at an autorised LR local shop.
For those who are interested the cam belt was changed 5000km back. All genuine LR parts and work done in a LR shop.
Many greetings from Slovenia.
25th Mar 2014 9:07 am
Nick Ground
Member Since: 14 Dec 2013
Location: West Moors
Posts: 40
I've heard rumours that there are more than a few 3.0 TDV6 and SDV6's with broken cranks. Many of those will of course be mopped up by the warranty and possibly not owned by forum owners.
As ever its statistics. LR will say that there is a failure rate of 0.0001%, or some other statistic as 1 in 5bn miles, on cranks in xDV6 engines which is an acceptable level, if it is your car that is affected then that is 100% and not at all acceptable. I have the same argument here at work, our production dept point at statistics and I introduce them to the irate customer!
Nick
25th Mar 2014 9:20 am
maplecottage
Member Since: 01 Feb 2011
Location: Norfolk
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axle14 wrote:
...........Many greetings from Slovenia.
Welcome, I hope you like us here
Love Slovenia, I have friends in Velenje. Lovely country and people
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25th Mar 2014 10:06 am
axle14
Member Since: 25 Mar 2014
Location: Slovenija
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Quote:
Welcome, I hope you like us here ....
maplecottage:
I do like UK forums. Slovenia is small so it is difficult to find that much people on a forum and therefore a lot of knowledge obout anything.
knowledge about LR for example in this case.
You are right about the country, people and food though. (don't forget to mention the last )
I was in the UK some years ago and my cousin studyed there too. I did meet some lovely people there back than too.
But let's stick to the subject.
We and I have a broken crank on a TDV6 2.7L engine.
Does somebody maybe have an email adress of the LR company?
If they don't answer I wil think about calling them by phone.
The repairing options i have are:
ordering by LR a new or rebuild bottom end engine. (complete crankcase with pistons, rods ecc...)
using the old heads. I didn't see yet if the heads suffered any damage by meeting with pistons yet. There is a good chance they did.
the seccond possibility is getting a brand new/rebuilt engine or a used one which is more exipensive
Is it posible to fit a 3.0L engine on the older 2.7 gearbox? any software upgrades needed on doing that?
Disco_Mikey what did you decide on doing on yours?
did you contact LR? any luck on doing that?
Thanks people for all your help here. I appreciate that. [/quote]
25th Mar 2014 2:55 pm
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I thought there had been a brace of failures due to the shells rotating, blocking the oil ports?
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