Kane
Member Since: 28 May 2016
Location: Reading
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Happy New Year to all.
3 Days after Christmas my 2007 LR3 HSE with 107K on the clock suffered catastrophic engine failure on the M4. Grange LR in Swindon are looking into it but are suspecting that the cam belt or oil pump has caused the failure. The cam belt was replaced at 95K so I cannot imagine that the belt has failed. What ever the cause, the Engine won't turn so I know that I will be splashing out on a new lump sometime in the near future.
How many other members has this happened to? I would like to see if there is a common trend at which point this catastrophic failing occurs. I guess the main point that I would like to explore, is why did the steering lock come on/engage before I had a chance to pull the vehicle over to some form of safety on to the hard shoulder? Should the DVSA be contacted about the loss of steering control? Has this already been done by some members?
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 1st Jan 2017 1:40 pm |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
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Just put 'engine failure, oil pump, crank failure' etc into search and be prepared for some serious reading.
It appears the 2007 oil pump failure is a well known issue on here. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 1st Jan 2017 1:45 pm |
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DN
D3 Decade
Member Since: 24 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
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Did the steering lock actually operate with the ign switch still on ? Or was it just the sudden loss of power steering, which would happen anyway if the engine stopped ?........I suspect it was the latter, which whilst alarming, would not be cause for a safety report. D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
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| 1st Jan 2017 1:51 pm |
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KostasA
Member Since: 23 Aug 2015
Location: nairobi
Posts: 286
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oil pump - timing belt, has happened to me. if you don't fiddle with the engine too much and take it to a garage fault can be reversed. it is not the end of the world, all you need is good mechanic and be ready to pay the damage.
from my experience that damage meant replacement in: valves, followers mostly. having the engine at that stage i did replace piston rings and main bearings. of course new oil pump (improved version is a must).
this site helped me a lot, there are so many posts on many issues, go through and hopefully there are many experienced members that can help you.
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| 1st Jan 2017 2:14 pm |
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Kane
Member Since: 28 May 2016
Location: Reading
Posts: 17
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Thanks for the comments that have come in so far, working my way through some of the existing threads.
DN - as you mentioned yes it was alarming to say the least and it may of been a reflex to cycle the ignition switch but I am certain the lock engaged. The mgw is +3ton so maybe I should of spent more time in the gym last year. 
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| 1st Jan 2017 2:30 pm |
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Kane
Member Since: 28 May 2016
Location: Reading
Posts: 17
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Confirmed by Grange Land Rover of Swindon as Oil Pump Failure! Will be checking around for other quotes, seen and read a lot on this forum, didn't see anyone admit to the cost. However estimate came in from LR for a brand new engine inclusive of 24 month warranty fully fitted for a round total of £11K. Cost for diagnosis 3hrs labor at £110/hr. Ouch!
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| 3rd Jan 2017 10:33 pm |
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MarkOne
Member Since: 23 Jul 2011
Location: County Antrim
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3 hours to diagnosis that is shocking imo.
I good independent will about half your bill for fixing.
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| 4th Jan 2017 7:13 am |
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NJSS
Member Since: 06 May 2009
Location: Catherington, Hampshire.
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Quote: However estimate came in from LR for a brand new engine inclusive of 24 month warranty fully fitted for a round total of £11K.
That sounds a little inexpensive? What precisely are they including; and what discount are they offering?
Are you getting a contribution from JLR? If not have you pursued this with JLR CSR?
NJSS Am I Gammon or Woke ? - I neither know nor care.
2016 Discovery 4 Landmark
2011 Mercedes Benz SL350 (R230)
1973 MG B GT V8 - 3.9L John Eales engine, 5 speed R380 gearbox, since 1975.
1959 MGA roadster - 1.9L Peter Burgess Engine - 5 speed gearbox
Past LRs - Multiple FFRs, Discos & a Series I - some petrol, some diesel,
none Electric or H2 fuel cell - yet.
There are 10 types of people in this world: Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.
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| 4th Jan 2017 10:43 am |
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Kane
Member Since: 28 May 2016
Location: Reading
Posts: 17
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There were no details of discount involved on that £11K price, I didn't even ask as this price is over my budget. I haven't contacted JLR CR reference this issue, I wouldn't know where to start with the process or how long it would take. So I am looking for a good Independent that can do the work. Rough figure from Rovertune in Reading for the engine alone is as follows. Refurb £4200, New £6000 not inclusive of VAT both from JLR direct so have the 24month warranty attached. How long for labor, I'm not sure, only phoned through this morning to see what could be put together by a couple of people.
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| 4th Jan 2017 11:14 am |
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NJSS
Member Since: 06 May 2009
Location: Catherington, Hampshire.
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Quote: Refurb £4200, New £6000 not inclusive of VAT both from JLR direct
I can't comment on these figures but no doubt someone will.
Again no personal comment but this thread might help:-
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic130420....ne+reading
or might confuse !
NJSS Am I Gammon or Woke ? - I neither know nor care.
2016 Discovery 4 Landmark
2011 Mercedes Benz SL350 (R230)
1973 MG B GT V8 - 3.9L John Eales engine, 5 speed R380 gearbox, since 1975.
1959 MGA roadster - 1.9L Peter Burgess Engine - 5 speed gearbox
Past LRs - Multiple FFRs, Discos & a Series I - some petrol, some diesel,
none Electric or H2 fuel cell - yet.
There are 10 types of people in this world: Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.
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| 4th Jan 2017 11:25 am |
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Kane
Member Since: 28 May 2016
Location: Reading
Posts: 17
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I have been happy with the work that Rovertune have done so far for me and I would recommend them in a heartbeat. Very knowledgeable and very professional as some of the comments say they are extremely busy and sorry if anyone has not had a good service out of them.
Just looking through here for contact info for JLR Customer Relations, saw something about a good will warranty - not that i'm expecting much but you don't ask, you don't get.
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| 4th Jan 2017 11:41 am |
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jk3528
Member Since: 23 Feb 2016
Location: stoke on trent
Posts: 96
 
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i got my D3 from nwsmotorservices.com who do lots of replacement engines
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| 4th Jan 2017 11:58 am |
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Andym01207
Member Since: 01 Mar 2012
Location: County Durham
Posts: 412
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Kane wrote:Confirmed by Grange Land Rover of Swindon as Oil Pump Failure! Will be checking around for other quotes, seen and read a lot on this forum, didn't see anyone admit to the cost. However estimate came in from LR for a brand new engine inclusive of 24 month warranty fully fitted for a round total of £11K. Cost for diagnosis 3hrs labor at £110/hr. Ouch!
Just curious, is that the failure of the casting on the Oil Pump for the cam belt tensioner, or a failure of the oil pump itself?
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| 4th Jan 2017 12:26 pm |
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Kane
Member Since: 28 May 2016
Location: Reading
Posts: 17
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Will update this a little later, I didn't ask specifics on how the pump failed at the time of the call. I accepted that an engine was needed and wanted to find out about where to go next in terms of getting my Disco back to being on the road. I suspect it is the casting as many others with a similar model have suffered, but as mentioned will update when I speak with them next.
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| 4th Jan 2017 12:35 pm |
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Andym01207
Member Since: 01 Mar 2012
Location: County Durham
Posts: 412
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Ok thanks.
Sorry don't mean to open the wounds further...
But I had my oil pump changed to the later model when the belts were done on my 08 for piece of mind and I have a friend who is taking the dealers advice that its not an issue and doesn't need doing on his 07.
So I was just curious...I suspect it is the same issue
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| 4th Jan 2017 12:37 pm |
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