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My eldest, who’s a single, 21 yo student, asking me why girls sleep like a starfish and he ends up falling out of bed. Embarassed

His mother, who was within ear shot, flipped telling him there would be no nonsense in her house when she visited and then I got the blame for his alleged promiscuity. Banging Head
  
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F Censored n rail strike. It’s going to right royally mess up us getting home. Bring on full train automation and fire the lot. Thumbs Up Evil or Very Mad
   
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Train automation won't make the slightest bit of difference, the majority of the drivers are with ASLEF. This strike is members of the RMT union which is support staff, signallers, ticket staff, cleaners, fitters, all the people that would still be needed.

But heaven forbid that people struggling to protect their standard of living should interfere with your holiday arrangements.
  
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Don't forget to spare a thought for the RMT" bosses":

Mick Cash, the RMT’s former general secretary, took home a total remuneration of £163,468 in 2020, including £1,432 in car benefit.

Steve Hedley, former RMT senior assistant general secretary, had a total remuneration of £94,016, including £2,945 in car benefit, in the same year.

Former RMT assistant general secretary and now the union’s general secretary, Mick Lynch, had total remuneration of £118,450 in 2020.
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Moleshome wrote:
But heaven forbid that people struggling to protect their standard of living should interfere with your holiday arrangements.


Fine, just means I’ll use rail transport less. More of their customers, I know that’s a strange concept but they are the ones that pay their wages, they Censored off then the fewer customers they will have then, hopefully, they’ll find themselves on the dole. Sorted. Thumbs Up
   
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And the former Chief Exec of First Group got a basic salary of £846k with bonuses taking him up to £1.26m in 2017, so what?
  
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LT wrote:
Don't forget to spare a thought for the RMT" bosses":

Mick Cash, the RMT’s former general secretary, took home a total remuneration of £163,468 in 2020, including £1,432 in car benefit.

Steve Hedley, former RMT senior assistant general secretary, had a total remuneration of £94,016, including £2,945 in car benefit, in the same year.

Former RMT assistant general secretary and now the union’s general secretary, Mick Lynch, had total remuneration of £118,450 in 2020.


That's always been the case, though. They are heads of large organisations and remuneration of heads of big organisations tends to be commensurately large.
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DSL wrote:
Moleshome wrote:
But heaven forbid that people struggling to protect their standard of living should interfere with your holiday arrangements.


Fine, just means I’ll use rail transport less. More of their customers, I know that’s a strange concept but they are the ones that pay their wages, they Censored off then the fewer customers they will have then, hopefully, they’ll find themselves on the dole. Sorted. Thumbs Up


There are four courses of action open to them. 1. They can just take whatever the company throws at them and suck it up and be grateful little people. 2. They can work to rule. 3. They can withdraw their labour. 4. They can leave the company and look for work elsewhere.

Now, 1. is the Victorian option and most favoured by Tories of course. 2. and 3. put pressure on the employer to come to the table and generally only last a short time. 4. just screws everyone for a long time, employee, employer and customer.
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
LT wrote:
Don't forget to spare a thought for the RMT" bosses":

Mick Cash, the RMT’s former general secretary, took home a total remuneration of £163,468 in 2020, including £1,432 in car benefit.

Steve Hedley, former RMT senior assistant general secretary, had a total remuneration of £94,016, including £2,945 in car benefit, in the same year.

Former RMT assistant general secretary and now the union’s general secretary, Mick Lynch, had total remuneration of £118,450 in 2020.


That's always been the case, though. They are heads of large organisations and remuneration of heads of big organisations tends to be commensurately large.


Indeed and good on them, I don't begrudge them a penny. It still amuses me though when I hear the likes of Mick Cash speaking/campaigning.

In simple terms, wage rises during a period of stagflation doesn't make economic sense as higher wages are a significant cause of inflation. Which just adds to the financial problems of the poorest in our society.

With all but the most wealthy being adversely affected, I don't know how much public sympathy the railway workers are likely to get if the strike does go ahead.
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The only way to help the bottom end without squeezing the middle majority, is to up the tax take from the top end. I think we should have a "if you're a Brit then you pay tax no matter where you live" system. You pay local taxes and then you pay to HMRC any difference between the local and the UK taxation amounts. It instantly catches the off shored wealth that is made here but hidden away.

There is also the general point about why billionaires are allowed to even be billionaires. At that level of wealth it's pure status - "my dick is bigger than yours" type stuff. Sure, some millions in the bank is ok but no one needs or should have wealth that is greater than dozens of countries' GDPs. There is no reasonable justification for it.
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
LT wrote:
Don't forget to spare a thought for the RMT" bosses":

Mick Cash, the RMT’s former general secretary, took home a total remuneration of £163,468 in 2020, including £1,432 in car benefit.

Steve Hedley, former RMT senior assistant general secretary, had a total remuneration of £94,016, including £2,945 in car benefit, in the same year.

Former RMT assistant general secretary and now the union’s general secretary, Mick Lynch, had total remuneration of £118,450 in 2020.


That's always been the case, though. They are heads of large organisations and remuneration of heads of big organisations tends to be commensurately large.


And in fact, company car benefit of £1,432 is miniscule at what would be the equivalent of CEO of a large organisation level.
  
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In my time, I've been both a full-on card holding union rep and a staff representative- the latter being a whole lot like the first but with less "power" and no personal legal protection.

I've done this stuff from single-site small company to sitting on a European Worker's Council as an "invited expert. I think it fair to say I've seen all modes that the workforce/management interface can operate in.

And I have to say, the "German model" is the one we should all aspire to, being based on trust and cooperation. But even that can get screwed over when the company is ultimately managed by folks from the USA or Japan, where - IMHO - the culture makes even the UK's worst neanderthal management look compassionate and caring.

A much wiser Union rep than myself said something that's stuck with me ... "companies get the union they deserve"
... essentially, treat your staff like Censored and you'll get the hardest faced union, sticking up for thir members but making the relationship difficult and generally being inflexible.
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
The only way to help the bottom end without squeezing the middle majority, is to up the tax take from the top end. I think we should have a "if you're a Brit then you pay tax no matter where you live" system. You pay local taxes and then you pay to HMRC any difference between the local and the UK taxation amounts. It instantly catches the off shored wealth that is made here but hidden away.

There is also the general point about why billionaires are allowed to even be billionaires. At that level of wealth it's pure status - "my dick is bigger than yours" type stuff. Sure, some millions in the bank is ok but no one needs or should have wealth that is greater than dozens of countries' GDPs. There is no reasonable justification for it.


Deciding a maximum amount of wealth anyone should have is a very slippery slope.

Do we really need to drive Land Rovers?

Do you carry on running your business, that might be a big employer and contributes £m’s to the revenue, when you reach the maximum wealth threshold? What’s the incentive?
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Unfortunately the big companies aren't contributing £m's to the revenue. They're paying Censored all in taxation while the likes of you and I pay the revenue in the form of VAT whilst also subsidising their wage bills with our taxes to top up their under-paid workers wages with benefits.
  
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