Hardware
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RRSTDV8 wrote:I think the issue is nicely summed up by the fact that the department dealing with employees used to be called "personnel" and now is "human resources". Companies treat their staff as nothing better than the computers on the desk. They're just a resource. Something to be used up.
In my staff representative role, I came across "Personnel " staff who were in tears over the shift in how they were expected to deal with staff. .
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2011 D4 XS - OBD port protection, RLD spare wheel protector, All LED interiors lights, Timed Climate enabled, iiD tool paired.
2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer  ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
1996 300Tdi - Eaten by tin worms
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Moleshome
Member Since: 15 Oct 2020
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LT wrote:RRSTDV8 wrote:I think the issue is nicely summed up by the fact that the department dealing with employees used to be called "personnel" and now is "human resources". Companies treat their staff as nothing better than the computers on the desk. They're just a resource. Something to be used up.
Is that all companies, or just some? What about the public sector, are you including that in “companies”?
There will always be exceptions to any generalisation (and I'll name Timpson and Richer Sounds as two) but it's probably safe to say that it applies to any company large enough to have an HR department in the first place. As far as the public sector is concerned I think we only need look at the passive-aggressive notes left on workers desks by the Minister of State for Brexit Opportunities and Government Efficiency to answer that.
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| 16th Jun 2022 10:57 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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LT wrote:RRSTDV8 wrote:I think the issue is nicely summed up by the fact that the department dealing with employees used to be called "personnel" and now is "human resources". Companies treat their staff as nothing better than the computers on the desk. They're just a resource. Something to be used up.
Is that all companies, or just some? What about the public sector, are you including that in “companies”?
I'd include the public sector in that, yes. I've been in local government when "resource rationalisation" was instigated. We 'resources' called it redundancies, of course. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 16th Jun 2022 11:19 pm |
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LT
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I’m not saying that they don’t exist but I don’t know any employer without an internal HR dept. who doesn’t outsource HR advice to an external HR professional or to employment solicitors, as much for their own protection as for that of their employees. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 16th Jun 2022 11:22 pm |
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RRSTDV8
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Hardware wrote:
There is so much stuff that only makes sense when nationalised. Trains, buses , water, power for starters.
Agreed. Stuff that is a national interest should be a national asset. The lie about "choice in the market" has been nicely shown up in the recent debacle with failing power companies. I don't see how adding layers of middle men that just take a cut is a better idea than using all of the money for the service itself. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 16th Jun 2022 11:23 pm |
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Moleshome
Member Since: 15 Oct 2020
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I've worked for multi-national Defence Industry companies for the last 30 odd years so completely the opposite end of the market but does the local corner shop with 2 or 3 part time staff have an outsourced HR team?
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| 16th Jun 2022 11:33 pm |
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Moleshome
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To change the subject entirely, why does the most recent reply not give the option to quote?
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| 16th Jun 2022 11:35 pm |
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Moleshome
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RRSTDV8 wrote:Hardware wrote:
There is so much stuff that only makes sense when nationalised. Trains, buses , water, power for starters.
Agreed. Stuff that is a national interest should be a national asset. The lie about "choice in the market" has been nicely shown up in the recent debacle with failing power companies. I don't see how adding layers of middle men that just take a cut is a better idea than using all of the money for the service itself.
Particularly when the middle man is a foreign country using the profits from the UK industries to subsidise their own nationalised industries.
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| 16th Jun 2022 11:39 pm |
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LT
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Renationalising was debated in the build up to the 2019 GE.
I can put a good case for and against. But as a believer in the benefits of a strong economy and a cynical opinion of all the political parties and the electoral system, I would have to, albeit with some reluctance, side against.
This short article in The Week gives a good summary of both cases:
https://www.theweek.co.uk/101318/the-pros-...sation?amp
 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
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| 16th Jun 2022 11:40 pm |
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Hardware
Member Since: 28 Jun 2016
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Moleshome wrote:To change the subject entirely, why does the most recent reply not give the option to quote?
Prevents unnecessary repetition of what is next to your input and can be easily referenced. Does fail badly on a busy thread in that your response may end up several posts away. .
Dean
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2011 D4 XS - OBD port protection, RLD spare wheel protector, All LED interiors lights, Timed Climate enabled, iiD tool paired.
2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
1996 300Tdi - Eaten by tin worms
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JordsDisco
Member Since: 22 May 2020
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A company advertising on line a litre of Stihl 2 stroke oil at £12 odd, but when you buy it instore, the price jumps to £34. Likewise with Stihl resin spray, £12 on line, £20 plus instore.
I went to the store and faced with the price hike, said I wouldn’t buy at that adding I’d just go on the phone and order online.
The sales person said I was paying for his humorous banter whereas online I wasn’t. I told him I could do without the banter, anyway, upon walking away, he gave the items to me at online prices. 
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| 23rd Jun 2022 6:30 pm |
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icestationzebra
Member Since: 05 Nov 2008
Location: Cheshire
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You have done well there. Stihl do not normally do discounts on anything. The upside is that you can usually get spares for any of their machines.
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| 23rd Jun 2022 10:44 pm |
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discott
Member Since: 24 Sep 2010
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He should have given them the silent treatment. Stihl waters run deep.
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| 24th Jun 2022 5:30 pm |
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