CY
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If possible could anybody please provide the link once posted which brings up archives of all the specifications of previous Land Rovers?
I'm looking for as much info as possible from around circa 2000/2001 looking particularly at the Freelander; things like fuel economy, insurance group, CO2, equipment per trim etc. I need detail on. Google searching is frustratingly only bringing up FL2 spec as the new model has retained the TD4 name.
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CY
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 Thanks guys DISCO3's Student Correspondent...
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shiny moose
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Tried asking the Freelander club ? Silver TDV6 S with sat nav, PTI and Moosed up a bit
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CY
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Had a look through their websites but nothing specific.
On an related but slightly off-topic note (don't want to waste a whole thread over it), has anybody ever had any experience of running an LPG car? Only main questions are 1) Are they safe ie. in a crash and from leakage? 2) generally are they reliable in the long term? 3) Are they expensive to maintain/service?
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shiny moose
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Ans - yes.yes,no
As for the Freelander the guys at the Dunsford collection may know (seem to know everything else LR) Silver TDV6 S with sat nav, PTI and Moosed up a bit
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Gareth
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I have run several LPG cars. I still have 2 of them on my companies fleet. We have a Vectra Duel Fuel, and an Astra Duel Fuel. The Astra is near the end of the road, having covered 135k miles, but it does 30mpg on LPG at 55p (?) per litre. I'm not sure of the cost as I don't normally drive it. My programmer runs the Vectra and it does 27mpg.
I had a Volvo V70 which was converted to LPG. It did 22mpg on gas, and ran reliably until I sold it at @160k miles. It had a 70 litre tank in place of the spare wheel.
I also had a Disco2 V8 converted with a very expensive sequential gas injection system. It has twin LPG tanks in place of the standard fuel tank, and a small 5 litre petrol tank in the wheel arch for engine starting and emergency use. It ran very smoothly on gas, but only managed 13 mpg at best. The tank range was woefull at about 135 miles. It was unreliable, but not because of the gas conversion.
I never crashed either car, so cannot vouch for safety, but the tanks are very substantial. Silver TDV6 HSE
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Gareth
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Another thing, on a gas car the oil never gets dirty. The oil is as clean as the day it went in, even after 12k miles. Silver TDV6 HSE
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CY
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Thanks SM and Gareth, that's a huge help. 
Wonder then if you'd be able to help me here too - does an LPG converted car usually come accompanied with higher insurance costs? Secondly, do LPG have tax subsidies? If so, are they significant?
I've got a rather good insurance deal with Direct Line on the Modus but I'm concerned the story would be less rosey on a LR. DISCO3's Student Correspondent...
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Gareth
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The lpg never increased the insurance on the converted vehicles, the only stipulation was that I could present an installation certificate signed by a member of the LPGA (Liquid Petroleum Gas Association). The Vauxhalls are factory fit, so no insurance issues.
I think the road tax is reduced by a bit on LPG. Not a lot though.
Recently, diesel vehicles have become almost as cheap to run, but with the recent hike in price its looking like its back to lpg
I forgot, we also had a Volvo S60 bi-fuel. We sold it to a taxi driver in London recently. It was reliable and cheap to run.
I like LPG, but the goverment started to put out vibes a couple of years ago that it was not the way to go, and many outlets have disappeared. It is undeniably cheap motoring, if you can live with the poor range and supply problems. Silver TDV6 HSE
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CY
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Thanks Gareth.
The vehicle we're looking at gets a £15 deduction in annual tax - not much but it's something. The saving's seem to be at the pump.
The average price for a litre of LPG in Edinburgh is 45p as opposed to around 111p for a litre of petrol just now. There are about 9 LPG stations here are plenty in all of the places we might visit in the car. We would also keep the original petrol tank just incase. If we went for this LPG Freelander we'd save fuel money from pottering around town but would also use it sometimes instead of the Volvo for holidays eg. to the Lakes and might try some gentle FL1-friendly lanes (if there are any).
Only problem now is choosing an engine - the 1.8 is weedy and unreliable but the V6 is expensive and costly to insure. Will keep you posted. DISCO3's Student Correspondent...
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We had a Fiat Ulysse 2003 which we had converted to LPG using the Prins Sequential Injection system which uses it's on ECU, second set of gas injectors and sensors. It seemed to work find until the gas level dropped really low and you would notice a slight reduction in power until you filled up. It had a 65l tank in the spare wheel well and still had the normal petrol tank and a switch to manually switch back to petrol if required. For the rest it used to start on petrol and as soon as it was warm enough it switched to gas.
As mentioned above as long as it is LPGA certified then the insurance didn't seem bothered. The are also very safe in an accident, I saw a Astra which had been hit up the rear and the whole car was destroyed, but the tank was fine and they were going to use it again in another car. According to the LPGA they are safer than petrol tanks as they are far more solid and the cut off valve detects leakage and cuts the gas outlet.
Oil was always clean with no contamination.
I am not sure if it is the V6 or 1.8 your looking at but the 1.8 has a inherent problem with head gaskets, which can be fixed with a new design of gasket (it was in LRO a couple of months back). The LPG combustion runs much hotter so it may affect the head gasket even more, but I don't know. You can also get problems with valve seat recession, but you can get a drip additive to prevent this if the engine is prone to this.
I had a 2001 Freelander TD4 for about 9 months from new, had a few issue's but it was a nice car, just wanted a automatic.
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CY
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My brother and I would both be insured on it so we are looking to keep the costs to a bare minimum. For that reason it looks like we'll have to choose the 1.8 over the V6 though have been told more than once that they have a problem with the head gasket. Don't know the best way around this, perhaps have an expert with us to inspect the car and advise on what could be fitted to prevent trouble. DISCO3's Student Correspondent...
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