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My D3 Died!!!!!!!! (she's back!)
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blue meanie
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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isn't the standard procedure with LR if this sort of failure occurs the whole engine goes back to the factory for diags? global warming my ars...!!!
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Sat May 31 2008 7:53pm |
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hernan1304
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: Dubai
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Thanks very much for the help!
My dealer have said that they will support my claim for a new engine, and they asked me to send them a letter to attach to their request to Land Rover. So I've written out a long letter and emailed it to them. We shall see what LR come back with.
Once LR respond I can post the letter and whatever their response was.
Wish me luck!!
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Sun Jun 01 2008 6:48am |
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James R
Joined: 27 Oct 2007
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Good Luck Sharks: Natures way of telling surfers to get a job
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Sun Jun 01 2008 9:03am |
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hernan1304
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: Dubai
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Heard back from the dealer this morning (Premier Motors in Abu Dhabi) - LAND ROVER HAS AGREED TO GIVE ME A NEW ENGINE!! The service manager (Manar) said they forwarded my concerns to LR and that they also argued that a weakened block would most likely lead to future repairs and further costs for LR, so replacing the whole engine now would be the best way to go. I have received nothing but the best customer service from Premier Motors - definitely highly impressed. My service manager Sageesh has called me every day to keep me updated, and been very supportive throughout the process.
Thank you all so much for your advice! Your help was truly invaluable in communicating my concerns to Land Rover - as always, this site has come through for me!!! I hope you don't mind that I stole your ideas for my letter to Land Rover. As promised, here is the email I sent them:
Quote:
To Whom It May Concern:
On Friday, May 23, without warning, my 2008 Land Rover LR3 overheated severely and had to be recovered to the Land Rover service centre in Abu Dhabi, UAE. The problem was traced to a faulty thermostat.
This car has less than 6,000Km on the odometer, and my wife and I have owned it for approximately 3 months. We purchased it new, and we intend for it to last forever – as a Land Rover should.
Land Rover Abu Dhabi replaced the faulty thermostat, along with other parts of the cooling system that had been damaged due to the high temperature and pressure. Once they were able to turn the car on, they observed white smoke coming from the exhaust. In accordance with Land Rover's instructions, they performed a compression test and found pressure variations among the different cylinders. Land Rover further instructed them to open the engine and inspect it.
I was told by Land Rover Abu Dhabi that since my LR3 is so new, if the engine was found to be damaged, it would be replaced. I was extremely disappointed, therefore, when I was informed that Land Rover has decided that instead of replacing the engine in my LR3, the dealer should simply replace the cylinder heads and head components.
I have expressed to my dealer that I find this solution to be unacceptable, and at their behest, let me briefly state the reasons why:
1) This is a new car: 3 months old, with less than 6,000Km. If I wanted a used car with a previously-overheated engine, I would have purchased one. Any fix other than a new engine is wholly unacceptable on such a new vehicle.
2) The failure of the thermostat was not my fault. It was a faulty component installed by Land Rover. I believe that as a Land Rover customer, I should not have to settle for a "patched up" engine that was damaged as a result of a manufacturing defect.
3) The engine got hot enough to melt the head gasket. I personally witnessed steam and smoke pouring out of the engine itself when the LR3 broke down. Simply replacing the head does not negate the fact that the ENTIRE engine was subject to extremely high temperatures. I have been informed that my dealer took photographs and measurements of the engine which they sent to Land Rover. Based upon this, Land Rover decided that no damage has been done to the lower half of the engine. However, the fact that the engine block was not observed to show cracks does not mean that the metal was not subjected to accelerated fatigue due to the high temperatures, and might therefore be more prone to failure.
4) I was left stranded in the middle of a desert highway in 40°C weather for three hours waiting for LR recovery. My wife drives this car every day. An engine subjected to overheating will wear prematurely and fail. I do not want to be riding a time bomb that will leave me or my wife stranded again. Land Rovers are famed for their ability to take their owners to the middle of nowhere – the middle of nowhere is not a good place to have second thoughts about your vehicle's ability to bring you home safely. The bottom half of an overheated engine will eventually fail. It is not a question of "if", it is a question of "when". And "when" is not a question that I want hanging over my NEW Land Rover.
5) A new engine is built and tested under the strictest quality control and inspection procedures. There is no way on earth that a mechanic in a Land Rover dealers' workshop can reproduce the quality procedures and environment control that the factory assembled engine would have when it was new. As I understand it, during production even the thickness of the gasket varies from engine to engine dependent on the build tolerances. I can't see how Land Rover Abu Dhabi would be that precise away from the factory. I bought a new car, with a factory-sealed, factory-tested engine. Since the damage that was done to the engine was not my fault, I think it is entirely reasonable for me to expect that when my LR3 is returned to me, it will continue to have a factory-sealed, factory-tested engine.
6) I bought this Land Rover new. By doing so, I have not only acquired a vehicle to enjoy, I have also acquired an asset that will be subject to depreciation. Due to a defective component, this asset has sustained serious damage. Replacing only the top half of an overheated engine is a patch, it is a quick fix and will be recognized as such by potential future owners. The resulting drop in resale value will mean that I, the customer, will be left bearing the cost of a manufacturing defect.
Land Rover Abu Dhabi has assured me that they will support my dispute of Land Rover's proposed repair. They have told me that they believe that due to the fact that this car is so new, the entire engine should be replaced. This is something that they have told me more than once.
This engine has overheated. On a new Land Rover with less than 6,000Km on it, this should mean a new engine, no questions asked. I would kindly request that you stand by me as your customer in this matter.
I am available to discuss this at any time via telephone at _.
Kind Regards,
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Mon Jun 02 2008 6:55am |
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Gareth
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Great news and the right decision. Your dealer is a good un Silver TDV6 HSE
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Mon Jun 02 2008 8:08am |
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paynetec
Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: Dubai
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Nice one! I hope you get your LR back soon!!
Did you get a 5yr/250K KM warranty with the vehicle?
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Mon Jun 02 2008 11:19am |
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hernan1304
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: Dubai
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I haven't purchased the extended warranty yet, as it can be bought at any time before the first warranty expires and it is not transferable. Therefore, only makes sense to buy it if I get to a point where I need it (since I couldn't sell it along with the vehicle), and I am nowhere near that point yet. The standard warranty + service is very good.
I hope I get it back soon too! I'll have to do another 1000km break-in period now... will feel very strange I'm sure! Meanwhile I've got a white FFRR on loan from the dealers, so driving in style, but too afraid to take it offroad as it's not mine!!! So I'm missing some offroad opportunities while the LR3 is away unfortunately....
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Mon Jun 02 2008 12:15pm |
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paynetec
Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: Dubai
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The Al Tayer warranty is 5yr/250K KM on all LR vehicles. Are you based in AD or Dubai?
It sounds like your dealer is giving you good service, I have been waiting 4 weeks for mine to re credit my Visa for a damaged Expo Rack that they fitted!
I'm sure the dealer wont mind if you give the FFRR a little taste of the sand...go on.....you know you want to!!!!
Happy Days
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Mon Jun 02 2008 12:46pm |
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PaulP
Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: Barcelona
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Great news. It's good to see that LR has done the right thing. As you say in your letter, anything less would be a bodge/patch-up and would not put the vehicle 100% right.
I particularly liked the following:
hernan1304 wrote:
1) This is a new car: 3 months old, with less than 6,000Km. If I wanted a used car with a previously-overheated engine, I would have purchased one.
A bit sarcastic, but bloody funny 2006 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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Mon Jun 02 2008 1:06pm |
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hernan1304
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: Dubai
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Ahhh yes now I remember... it's something like 3 years LR warranty on everything plus 2 extra years on the engine and gearbox from Al Tayer right? I think the thing that you have to buy extra that is non-transferable is the extended free service....
[warning - this paragraph is a rant against the Dubai Sheikh Zayed showroom] Anyways, I'm based out of Dubai and the Al Tayer showroom on Sheikh Zayed has been annoying to deal with, to say the least. For example, they still haven't replaced an interior panel that was damaged before vehicle delivery now almost 4 months ago! . Not to mention the fact that they made me wait for 4 months for my new LR3, and when it finally arrived it was the wrong color, and they didn't even notice until I saw it for the first time and pointed it out to them!!! They always make me come in at inconvenient times, and when I do come in they can't always see me. With the panel to be replaced - they actually made me come in, wait in the dealership for an hour while they drove it to the service location to do the swap, and then came back and said that no, because my car has wood, they can't do the swap unless they have a piece that matches my wood exactly. I've asked them to order one, but they haven't, and their plan is to exchange the piece with a loaner that they have with the same kind of wood. Great plan, except they never have the loaner in! I asked the salesman (and the manager) - where is it? Well first they told me that showroom employees often take the cars for their own personal use (great..also the reason why they can't just keep my car until they fix it, they never have a loaner to give me!), and then they told me that the LR head office took that particular car away and they didn't know when it would be back. So I told them that I was tired of the runaround and to just order the damn piece from LR like they told me they had months ago! "once we order a part, any delay is out of our hands". Of course they haven't produced a shred of evidence that they actually ordered the part. [end rant... sorry, I started typing and couldn't stop! ]
With the Abu Dhabi dealership it's been truly night-and-day: they call you back when they say they will, and they don't give you the runaround. They even sent me a loaner to Dubai from Abu Dhabi via recovery truck!
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Mon Jun 02 2008 1:15pm |
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paynetec
Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: Dubai
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Thats about right! Think the 5yrs/250K Km is on everything.
Sounds like Abu Dhabi is the way to go! Getting pi**ed off with Al Tayer already, 'yes sir I will ring you straight back' etc etc You dont expect that from a Premier dealership eh. When I purchased my LR3 I asked what sort of deal they could do me if I also purchased an LR2 for my wife...Nothing but managed to get two china 'LR Go Beyond' mugs out of them!!! The distance they will go to make a sale! Ha Ha
Once again good luck with th LR3
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Mon Jun 02 2008 2:27pm |
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DG
Joined: 12 Dec 2005
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Glad you got it sorted Powered by............................
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I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit
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Mon Jun 02 2008 2:33pm |
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NJF
Joined: 05 Oct 2007
Location: Luxembourg, Strassen
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hernan1304,
It's a good result for you and great credit to LR but clearly great credit to you also; that was a very well-written letter.
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Mon Jun 02 2008 11:43pm |
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hernan1304
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: Dubai
Posts: 368

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Just spoke to service guy... They don't have an ETA for the new engine from the UK but he said the standard time is 15-20 days!! Also should mention that my experience has taught me to multiply all estimates by at least 2x in the UAE...
It's amazing how much I miss my D3. The FFRR loaner is ok, but I can't take it in the sand to play since it's not offroad insured, and it's just not the same!! Will end up spending about a month to a month and a half without my D3 when all is said and done (and that's if things go well! which they don't always...). Heartbreaking as I'd only had the D3 for 3 months and was still in the permagrin stage...
I don't think most people would understand why I'm dissappointed since I'm now driving a car that costs 50% more than mine but ... I miss my D3!!!
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Thu Jun 05 2008 11:08am |
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Gareth
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I would be asking them to insure it properly, its an off road vehicle, thats why you bought the Discovery. If you did not want to go off road, you could have saved a lot of money and bought a much less capable 4x4. Silver TDV6 HSE
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Thu Jun 05 2008 11:16am |
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