ronp
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Just read this breaking news article.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080718/...dbed5.html
A completely innocent motorist travelling in another direction is taken from their loved ones.
Whilst the Scumbag who caused it is enjoying treatment in hospital at our [and the deceased driver & families] cost!!
Wish the doctors could just inject the b*stard and let the world be rid of him.
Where's the justice!
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James R
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Completely agree with your comments Ron.
As this scumbag has been injured I have little doubt that our marvelous justice system will be lenient with him.
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 10:03am |
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ridgeback_moor
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What I can't understand is why the police have to chase these to  ers when they are already being followed by the force helicopter. Especially with vehicles like the Evo and Impressa there's little chance of the police actually catching them up in a pursuit - only by forcing them into a high speed driving error that ends up with often fatal results. The helicopter can monitor and follow from a good distance away, and usually the thief only starts driving badly once they realise they're being followed - in fact that's part of the buzz for some of them I think. It just seems an unnecessary and unjustified risk to the public by allowing the police to pursue at high speed on single carriageways where there is rarely a chance of stopping them from behind.
Here's the result of a study in the US:
o A collision of some type can be expected to occur in 32 percent of
pursuits.
o When the severity of these collisions is analyzed, 20 percent will
result in property damage, and 13 percent will result in personal
injury.
o A fatality will occur in 1.2 percent of police pursuits.
o Approximately 70 percent of all pursuit-related injuries and
fatalities will involve the occupants of the pursued vehicle, while
14 percent will involve law enforcement and 15 percent, innocent,
uninvolved parties.
A fatality in 1.2% of pursuit  - I'm not sure how the figures compare to the UK (maybe a bit lower), but if I allowed a process in my industry with a 1.2% chance of fatality then I'd be locked up! And of the injuries or deaths that do occur - 15% are innocent parties
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 10:41am |
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NHR
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Ron - right again! Of course, if the police had a helicopter perhaps they could have been a little more imaginative: let the criminal drive away and then capture him later when he sees he is not beeing chased and so, presumably slows down and gets bored thinking he has got away with it. It always seems that the chase causes more damage to the innocent than the original incident.
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 11:18am |
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ronp
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A possible drawback from chasing by Helicopter only is that when it has to leave to refuel. Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 11:23am |
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NHR
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Then use army helicopters and shoot the b r before the fuel rons out. 
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 11:27am |
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DG
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ridgeback_moor wrote:A fatality in 1.2% of pursuit - I'm not sure how the figures compare to the UK (maybe a bit lower),
As an example RM... 33 people died in UK police pursuits in 2005 ... 10 of which made off from a stop, were lost and subsequentely crashed...23 were as a direct result of a pursuit. The 33 deaths are made up from the suspects, police and public (Source IPCC)
I don't think that US pursuit policies can be properly compared to the UK TBH as they have differing rules of engagement.
Nobody deserves to die ...but we all got to go somehow and some way  ...statistically you are just as likely to die from an accident getting out of bed in the morning as you are to be involved in a fatal police chase Powered by TorqTune
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 11:47am |
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ronp
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NHR wrote:Then use army helicopters and shoot the b r before the fuel rons out.
Totally with you on that!
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 11:58am |
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ridgeback_moor
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True, but the ground pursuit seems to be an aggravating factor that dramatically increases the chance of injury. If it was just the TWOCer that got injured I wouldn't care less, but my family and friends share the same road as these TW TS, so I'd prefer them to drive the stolen car past us safely rather than at Mach2 followed by a Volvo T5. I've had the converastion in the pub with my neighbour (a traffic copper) time and time again, and it seems that it all hangs on the risk assessment of the pursuing officer. Some are more 'sensible' and perceptive than others.
Once they (the manufacturers) fit a remote controlled immobiliser based on the registration number that will be a good solution - then the stolen vehicle can be shut down remotely. We've already got them fitted to the D3 - I think it's called the EPB, and LR head office randomly activate it when we say bad things about them on here  ! D3 TDV6 S 2005 - TorqTune, Privacy Glass, Remote FBH, 19" HSE Alloys, Boot liner, retrofit F&R PDC, RAI
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 12:06pm |
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crews control
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Using DG's figures, 3,201 people were killed on Britain's roads in 2005 and 33 of those were as a result of Police pursuits. Therefore, using statistics, we can show that you've actually less chance of dying while being pursued by the Police than when driving around while they ignore you !!!
So much for all these useless statistics then.
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 12:19pm |
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crews control
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ridgeback, If it's related to the number plate won't they be remotely turning off the wrong car each time a car plate is cloned? Could be quite a shock as you tootle down the M5 at 90!
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 12:21pm |
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NHR
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On SWMBO's car we have an immobilser that seems to work well: even if I hand the car over with the engine running, it will stop within 200 yards unless the Twocer knows where the magic button is! Hidden on the D3 (the leasing company would not tell me where, obviously) I have some tracking device so that if the car is stolen the lease company will find it (when I asked how effective this was in practice, they just grinned!) Surely if this sort of kit was standard issue that might help to deter twocers - after all car theft is according to the statistics down 66% over the last decade already.
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 12:30pm |
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James R
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These statistics are all very well, but how many innocent people are killed by scumbags not being persued by the police? And how many more would have been killed had the police not persued them?
Greater deterants are needed. Bring back the death penalty. if you get kill some driving a stolen car then it's HELLO SPARKY. Don't worry about the ever increasing cost of electricty - the bill can be sent to the scumbags familly 07 Silver TDV6 XS Manual + Tubes, Tints, White indicator repaeters, Xtreme H7s, LR dog Guard and Valeao Windy-Wipers
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 12:52pm |
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flinty99
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ridgeback_moor wrote:It just seems an unnecessary and unjustified risk to the public by allowing the police to pursue at high speed on single carriageways where there is rarely a chance of stopping them from behind.
RM - Just want to correct one of your points, the road in question is a Motorway and not a single carriageway, so I don't believe they were necessarily taking unjust risks. The police are well trained in high speed pursuit and until all the facts are known it’s very easy to assume it was their actions that caused this to crash the car.
My thoughts are with the family of the totally innocent driver. Why we are now spending time and tax payers money to try and save this I don’t know. He should have been left in the wreckage to suffer for what he has done.
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| Fri Jul 18 2008 1:10pm |
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DG
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Let's also remind ourselves that there are around 1.2 million motors being used illegally on the roads around us today...over the last 10 years uninsured drivers have been responsible for an average of 134 deaths and 2200 serious injuries each year.
Should the police make any attempts to stop these people?  Powered by TorqTune
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