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22nd Oct 2008 1:40 pm
ronp
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JMC wrote:
I often wonder how many people laugh at Vicky Pollard and see her as amusing escapism. She is a very real manifestation of what is out there in society and she is certainly not alone. She is at school with your kids and she spends many more hours per day with them than you do! She is seen as a role model because she stands up to authority. Kids who have never learned to respect their elders, or those in authority, are drawn to Vicky very easily.
True to form ....Vicky Pollard is now getting a divorce!
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I have just watched the final episode of Andrew Marr's television programme about Britain, and it reminds me of why, although I temporarily live abroad, I love the place and its people. Cheers, all.
22nd Oct 2008 9:05 pm
ronp
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Nothing wrong at all with Britain NJF .....
...it's just [some of] the inhabitants!!
22nd Oct 2008 11:01 pm
al cope
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Guys
whether its issues like this idiot woman and her offspring, or minorities (of which I'm now one - that being white middle class heterosexual tax paying male), this country is f@cked, whether we like it or not, and its far too late to save it (you cant put the genie back in the bottle)
I dont know how many of you have read Mine Kampf (cant remember if I've spelt that correctly), but a good half of it makes quite good sense. Not advocating we do what he tried (although invading Poland might not be a bad idea as most of them are now here, so they might not notice).
Need to find somewhere else to live.
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23rd Oct 2008 11:12 am
Jonty
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al cope wrote:
..........., or minorities (of which I'm now one - that being white middle class heterosexual tax paying male), this country is f@cked, whether we like it or not, and its far too late to save it (you cant put the genie back in the bottle)......
Al
What wrong with minorities? What have they done to mess up your country?
You don't need to find somewhere else to live, you need to take control of your own country back from those who would turn it into a free for all politically correct nanny state
Jonty wrote:
What wrong with minorities? What have they done to mess up your country?
Nobody said there was anything wrong with minorities, but when indigenous people become the political minority in regard to their views, there's trouble ahead. I would have thought that you would have known this coming from SA....... The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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23rd Oct 2008 12:36 pm
ronp
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Heard on the radio recently.
That a local police force were learning to speak Polish so they could communicate with the local non English speaking Polish community.
Sorry .... but WTF's wrong with the Poles learning English!!
Nothing against Poles, but if you move to another country, surely you should expect you would have to learn that countries language.
Some other minorities - they move to our country, preach words of hate against it and want to bomb our people.
AND, we don't kick them out!!
23rd Oct 2008 12:45 pm
PaulP
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JMC wrote:
al cope wrote:
Need to find somewhere else to live.
THERE'S THE PROBLEM
You don't need to find somewhere else to live, you need to take control of your own country back from those who would turn it into a free for all politically correct nanny state
You're right John, but only in a moral standards kind of way (in which I fully agree with you).
I know Al's comment was just thrown in to the mix for fun, as far as he may be concerned, if there doesn't seem to be any way to get new people in who can change things around and make a difference within his useable lifespan despite him making a fuss and using his vote wisely, then the only option for him to have a better life is to jump ship to another country that fits in better with what he's looking for.
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23rd Oct 2008 1:18 pm
al cope
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thanks for pitching in chaps, and you are both correct, I shouldnt have to consider moving elsehwere, but I just dont see a way back (as I said, genie out of the bottle), and nothing wrong with minorites, I just dont want to be one in what I consider to be my own country (by way of birth), and treated with contempt by those "in charge" for being so.
I dont believe that ANY of the current political parties want to put the interests and veiws of the indigenous population first, and then fit (in a fair way) the views/requirements of others around that, rather than the other way round.
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23rd Oct 2008 2:04 pm
AndrewW
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Al - if you hypothetically find that place, I'll hypothetically join you!
SWMBO and I have discussed this umpteen times but when you factor in language (I can manage French, Italian and German, but not like a native ), local bureaucracy, "fitting in", avoiding ex-pat enclaves and distance - there ain't nowhere.
I agree with JMC - we should stay and fix it, but I retired from the NHS after 37 years of imagining I could improve things by getting on committees and making a noise. The machine is bigger than me; couldn't stop the downward progress, so I left. Really don't want it (and truthfully can't see it) driving us abroad - not with 2 new grandchildren
But I bet we can't mend our boat...
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23rd Oct 2008 3:34 pm
Jonty
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JMC wrote:
Nobody said there was anything wrong with minorities, but when indigenous people become the political minority in regard to their views, there's trouble ahead. I would have thought that you would have known this coming from SA.......
How many MPs are from minorities? And (seriously) who are the indigenous people of the UK and what language do they speak?
You can't compare the situation in the UK to SA, any ex-colony or Australia.
Out of the total UK population, what %age is 'foreign'? From my time spent in the UK and commenting as an observer from outside, the problem is your politicians and the power of certain lobby groups. Add to this the increasing compensation culture and abuse of the welfare system by lazy people (most of whom are 'natives' according to statistics) combined with an education system that no longer teaches things like manners, respect etc and you end up with problems.
There are some great things about the UK though, which you should protect. I was impressed with the good mix of cultures and the freedom people have regarding religion, freedom of speech and believe it or not, low crime levels (everything is relative eh?). There aren't many places left in the world where you get unarmed police......
23rd Oct 2008 3:48 pm
Pelyma
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The BNP is getting more and more popular especially with the 60+ age group and I personally find it quite worrying.
Politically I might not agree with DG but I have to say he is right, this isn't about wealth, or economic mobility it is about poor parenting. As a nation I don't think we are very child friendly, kids are seem as an accessory by the rich and an income source for the poor. Unfortunately the badly behaved kids get all the publicity the distorts the picture.
Kids don't need PS3s, DVD players etc etc etc, it is just unfashionable to say what they need and that is love and time. Doing things together seems very out of fashion even for quite young children. The world has always been a scary place to bring children up; but it can be done but it is best done by parents not by politicians of any party and this is where we are going wrong IMODS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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23rd Oct 2008 4:08 pm
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I don't think this sort of behaviour is "cultural" in the race sense, more "cultural" in the behavioural sense.
A whole culture has developed in the UK which believes that the law does not apply to them. They believe that it is within the law to allow their children to screw around at very young ages because for them not to would infringe their rights, or some such feeble excuse. The same parents (in the biological meaning of the word only) have no regard for the results of their procreation, regardless of the amount of money in the bank, or where that money from....
The mother (for want of a better title) has broken the law by permitting her daughter to have sex at the age of twelve. She continues to break the law by not taking steps to prevent her from having sex until the age of 16.
In days gone by the mother would be in deep trouble, probably finding herself the wrong side of the stocks or something similar, and the girl taken into a convent "to learn the error of her ways". In other words being made to do some menial tasks until she was old enough to start to learn to be a nun (probably a year or two of virtual slavery, then a few years of hard work as a novice, then a little tiny bit of freedom as a nun.....)
It is quite possible that the girl concerned has no real understanding of the law, but just enjoys "a good " whenever she gets the chance, because in her world that's the only way she knows to express any sort of love. I'd really like her to encounter some of the kids I worked with a couple of decades ago, mostly now ex of this life, and most of them would have been less that 25 when they went ex. They started the same way as she has started, a few we managed to knock off course into a better (longer) life, but it was a real struggle..... its quite an art not to get over emotional about those who do not "see the light" and just get burned out long before their time.Rob Smith
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23rd Oct 2008 4:24 pm
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Pelyma wrote:
Politically I might not agree with DG
...and whats wrong with a dictatorship then Paul ?
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She is seen as a role model because she stands up to authority. Kids who have never learned to respect their elders, or those in authority, are drawn to Vicky very easily. 
), local bureaucracy, "fitting in", avoiding ex-pat enclaves and distance - there ain't nowhere.
poor parenting. As a nation I don't think we are very child friendly, kids are seem as an accessory by the rich and an income source for the poor. Unfortunately the badly behaved kids get all the publicity the distorts the picture.
