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NJSS
 


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Touch Screens vs Physical Buttons

Last year, as a surprise when we were on holiday, SWMBO rented a Mercedes EV with almost every function controlled from a touch screen.

I was not at all impressed with the touch screen.

The facelift Golf GTI has gone back to buttons on the steering wheel after customer feedback, and I was optimistic that this might be the beginning of an industry trend that touch screens have been overdone and a return to essential driving controls as physical buttons was needed.

I was very sorry to read that MB certainly don't see things that way:-

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/technol...ga-screens

Quote:
MBUX Hyperscreen is one of the highlights in the EQS. It represents the emotional intelligence of the all-electric upper-class model: the large, curved screen unit stretches almost the entire width from the left to the right A-pillar. In addition to its sheer size, the high-quality, detail-loving design also provides a “wow” effect.!!


We all know that it’s illegal to touch, hold or use a phone, sat nav, tablet, while driving and even when

stopped at traffic lights
queuing in traffic
supervising a learner driver
driving a car that turns off the engine when you stop moving ("Stop/Start")
holding and using a device that’s offline or in flight mode

It seems absurd that one can, and in many cases must use a (mega) screen on the car to perform basic or essential functions.

This is particularly absurd when that mega screen mirrors the screen on one's mobile 'phone enabling one to use all the functions including making calls, using a sat nav app. etc....
  
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MrTed
 


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Agreed! Tactile feedback and muscle memory to turn dials and click switches is far safer than hunting around a touch screen.
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MrTed
 


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....and if a salesperson at Mercedes quoted the 'emotional intelligence' remark at me I would turn around and walk out of the showroom laughing Rolling with laughter
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Scott #55
 


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SWMBO got a new(ish) Evoque recently, with the one-panel-fits-all controls. It's far too easy to switch on hill descent control when trying to change the cabin temp. And I have no idea what the various options are for climate etc, or how to access them.

My D4 is now 14 years old, but the old knobs-and-dials interior is a hell of a lot easier to use, and offers pretty much the same functionality.
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DIY Ace
 


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Agreed about safety, there is no substitute for a button. There is a very, very good reason why all the important controls in a commercial airliner are still tactile, chunky switches with good positive action and visual and audio feedback. My brother flies Dreamliners and whilst the tech inside the flight deck is truly extraordinary, unlike anything before it, you'll find all the safety critical and regularly used controls have their own dedicated button, dial or switch.

Something that serves your muscle memory well, with feedback, is essential.

I love the chunky buttons on the D3. I have a BMW i4 with a wrap-around touch screen that controls everything. The tech is impressive, but I can confidently say that it is way less safe on the road. In the D3 I can adjust heating, seats, radio, etc genuinely without taking my eyes off the road. In the BMW its a very different story, having to distract my eyes consistently.

That said, the one thing I really do love a lot in the BMW is the heads-up display. It has speed, speed limit info, nav directions, call status etc on it. Fully user-adjusted and I find it immensely helpful.
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When I was looking to buy the MG5 I did watch a few reviews on it.

Almost all were in favour of the proper switches used in the driver "cockpit" vs the feel-less screen touch controls with options often buried in sub menus.

On the negative side they though the grill was dated despite being the same as many other cars on the market with chromed horizontal bars.
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Shaun R.
 


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DIY Ace wrote:
In the D3 I can adjust heating, seats, radio, etc genuinely without taking my eyes off the road. In the BMW its a very different story, having to distract my eyes consistently.


Same here, even more so with my D2. I often drive the D4 with the screen saver on as I find it distracting at times.
  
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Moo
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I prefer buttons to screens. Driving my daughter's D3 and operating the controls is a lot less distracting and safer than my Defender. Same with my wife's T-Cross.
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astonbuilder
 


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SWMBO has an Evoque 24MY with the Pivi Pro centre screen that has no physical buttons. It's a thing of beauty but the old upper/lower screen with the large rotary dials with multiple actions if pressed/pulled/rotated were much easier and intuitive to use.

Now have to dive into menu's with screen buttons too close to each other and easy to press wrong one following a look, line finger up, stab, look back and it's wrong screen button hit Rolling Eyes
  
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ronp
 


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Forget touchscreens, even buttons, I still prefer winders. Laughing
  
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NJSS
 


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RonP you would like this then:-


Click image to enlarge


Hand cranked windscreen wiper. Thumbs Up
  
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ronp
 


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Great ……. another mod for the D4. Thumbs Up

I’ll add that to the list: wind up windows, wind up seats, wind up radio …. oh and wind up post. Wink

Laughing
  
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just get yourself a series 3 LR Ronp.... so analogue even the owners manual is on slate
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Worms
 


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Even these new-fangled wind-up windows are too slow on dusty roads. When you come round a corner and meet something coming the other way you can only get the windows half-way up before the cabin is full of dust - the old sliding windows were so much better, just a quick flick and it was shut! Smile
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ronp
 


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Now that is a dashboard.

They certainly don’t make em like they used to.

Got some real soul versus these touchscreens in modern day automotive appliances.

  
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