sacimiddx
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| URGENT Cold start failure in Alps - fix please FBH preheat ? |
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Failure to start yesterday am -7 deg c
Turned over loads and loads but would not fire
Called out rac and local guy came - jump leads attached and small can of additive added
10 - 15 mins later started
Thought to be fuel waxing which I doubted
Tried today -4 deg c
5 mins turning over and just fired up
Anything I can do ??
Can I frig FBH to come on before I start up (does not seem to be running after start)
I'm bit desperate and don't want to be stranded ! The collective is called upon !
I'm not on web until tomorrow but discodunc woolmeister and Geoff have my mobile if any one has some bright ideas [/b] Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Last edited by sacimiddx on 20th Feb 2013 9:52 am. Edited 1 time in total
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J@mes
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Glow plugs! 2014 D4 XS
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| 19th Feb 2013 4:19 pm |
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The Large One
Member Since: 20 Apr 2007
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could also be this
TECHNICAL BULLETIN
LA303-004
23 JAN 2006
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© Jaguar Land Rover Limited
All rights reserved.
SECTION: 303-00
Discovery 3/LR3 - Difficult Cold Starting
AFFECTED VEHICLE RANGE:
Discovery 3 / LR3
VIN: 5A300394-6A353440
Engine: 2.7L(TdV6) Diesel
MARKETS:
All
CONDITION SUMMARY:
Situation: A customer may report a concern that in cold weather conditions, the vehicle is difficult to start. Investigation using the worldwide diagnosis system (WDS) reveal the diagnostic trouble code (DTC) P0181 - Fuel System Temperature Sensor Range.
Cause: A software calibration/sensitivity issue exists between the fuel temperature and coolant temperature readings used by the engine management software resulting in the above concern.
Action: Should a customer express concern regarding the above, refer to the Service Procedure detailed in this bulletin to update the engine management software.
PARTS:
WDS disc 13 or later Quantity: 1
DESCRIPTION SRO TIME CONDITION CODE CAUSAL PART
Tune Download - Engine management ECU 12.90.13 0.20 hours 07 NNN500560 TLO has left the building.......
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| 19th Feb 2013 4:34 pm |
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GDM64
Member Since: 25 May 2010
Location: Deepest Darkest Suffolk
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Crikey this place really is a mine of usefull information!
There really is no other site quite like it.
Hope you get the problems sorted. 
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| 19th Feb 2013 4:50 pm |
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kp
Member Since: 27 May 2011
Location: Sticking the Ex back in the skanks bin
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If its waxing the best thing you can really do is get a fuel additive in there or take the chance and put a TINY amount of petrol in.
Im talking about .25-.5 litres for a full tank here and in a few minutes the fuel system would have mixed it sufficiently to be perfect.
Other than that maybe ask for a local garage to store it in over night... FFRR Owner, very nearly became a D3 owner 
Test piloted a new D4 XS SDV6.. Gone and being forgotten i hope!!
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| 19th Feb 2013 5:12 pm |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
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kp wrote:If its waxing the best thing you can really do is get a fuel additive in there or take the chance and put a TINY amount of petrol in.
Im talking about .25-.5 litres for a full tank here and in a few minutes the fuel system would have mixed it sufficiently to be perfect.
Other than that maybe ask for a local garage to store it in over night...
Some manufactures including VW recommend this even at a higher rate of 5% on older engines Do it at your own risk. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 19th Feb 2013 6:07 pm |
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kp
Member Since: 27 May 2011
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Being of HDi vintage I think a max of 2% is as much as I could reccomend but the above should be enough to prevent waxing of the non bikini kind! FFRR Owner, very nearly became a D3 owner
Test piloted a new D4 XS SDV6.. Gone and being forgotten i hope!!
D4 HSE 10MY
D4 XS 11MY
SSRR Destroyer *2
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| 19th Feb 2013 6:33 pm |
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mountainclan
Member Since: 04 Sep 2011
Location: Derbyshire
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Give it a squirt of easy start (or equivalent) into air intake whilst turning it over if it starts most likely glow plugs no good.
Worked for me !
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| 19th Feb 2013 8:58 pm |
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jamieg7762
Member Since: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Warwickshire
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Not always possible but if you an get to do it,it helps loads.
Get a hair dryer on hottest setting and blow in the air intake for a good 5-10mins, then try to start. d4 HSE in Corris Grey with Black options pack
D3 with the following
Alive Tuning EGR blanking kit
Alive Tuning Re-map
Alive Atrics console
Samco intercooler hoses (from Alive Tuning)
Alive Tuning De-Cat pipe, lovely tone!
Retrofit OEM Hybrid TV tuner
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| 19th Feb 2013 9:03 pm |
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kp
Member Since: 27 May 2011
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That hairdrier option would take a fair while and long extension lead from a chalet to a car space 
Dont even need easy start perse, deoderant or WD40 can do the same trick. FFRR Owner, very nearly became a D3 owner
Test piloted a new D4 XS SDV6.. Gone and being forgotten i hope!!
D4 HSE 10MY
D4 XS 11MY
SSRR Destroyer *2
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| 19th Feb 2013 9:11 pm |
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jamieg7762
Member Since: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Warwickshire
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I was only trying to help  d4 HSE in Corris Grey with Black options pack
D3 with the following
Alive Tuning EGR blanking kit
Alive Tuning Re-map
Alive Atrics console
Samco intercooler hoses (from Alive Tuning)
Alive Tuning De-Cat pipe, lovely tone!
Retrofit OEM Hybrid TV tuner
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| 19th Feb 2013 9:15 pm |
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Martin
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Don't let kp tell you off, it's only his opinion. 06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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| 19th Feb 2013 9:35 pm |
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jamieg7762
Member Since: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Warwickshire
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It's not very often I have, what I think, is a good idea and then that happens......... 
May be next time I will manage it
It is good to know about the fault code as mine plays up sometimes when it is cold, it is going into the dealer again soon so will get them to look into it d4 HSE in Corris Grey with Black options pack
D3 with the following
Alive Tuning EGR blanking kit
Alive Tuning Re-map
Alive Atrics console
Samco intercooler hoses (from Alive Tuning)
Alive Tuning De-Cat pipe, lovely tone!
Retrofit OEM Hybrid TV tuner
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| 19th Feb 2013 9:39 pm |
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amazing
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old lada nivas. when supplied to military they came with an aspestos blanket
instruction
make a fire
put blanket on fire
put blanket around engine
wait......
start engine
obviously.a liitle bit of PPE would have to be carried with you nowadays 
but a proven technique use by my father was an old Davies lamp under the engine just enough to take the chill off overnight.
over here. I have seen lorries with 5L paint tins with charcoal in under the engines.
obviously dont try any of these as you may suffer from a little bit death.
parking next to a wall can help in cold weather and lower the car overnight.
hopefully by the time you have read this the day will have warmed up enough to start...
It is better to have and not need it then need and not have it.
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| 20th Feb 2013 2:37 am |
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kp
Member Since: 27 May 2011
Location: Sticking the Ex back in the skanks bin
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I wasn't telling you off fella
The lamps ideas are good if you have direct access to the sump but in alpine weather taking the sump guards off could be fun
Timed/Park climate all the way! don't know how I'd cope without it now FFRR Owner, very nearly became a D3 owner
Test piloted a new D4 XS SDV6.. Gone and being forgotten i hope!!
D4 HSE 10MY
D4 XS 11MY
SSRR Destroyer *2
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