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Few questions about FL
If it has gear selector wheel instead of stick, does that mean its an 8 speed gearbox? April 2012 SDV6 256bhp SE.
What changes I`m missing by buying 2012 instead of 2014 FL? I see it doesn`t have black rear lights and different headlights. Mechanically there must be something different as well ?
Thanks
13th Mar 2021 6:23 pm
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FL?
13th Mar 2021 6:24 pm
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FaceLift
13th Mar 2021 6:27 pm
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Better off using MY e.g 2010MY+ 2014MY+ ...I thought you were talking about a Freelander 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
13th Mar 2021 6:38 pm
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Ah, gotcha.
Now do you mean the original FL, some call it the D4, or the FL FL, the FLed FL, some call it the FLed D4?
13th Mar 2021 6:38 pm
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DSL,
There are few D4 models:
- first one, with gear stick
- updated one with round gear selector knob from 2012
- 2014 facelift with new headlights and black rear lights.
13th Mar 2021 6:40 pm
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DG wrote:
I thought you were talking about a Freelander
Me too, but the 2 was missing. Too few toos and not enough twos.
13th Mar 2021 6:40 pm
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Yargo wrote:
DSL,
There are few D4 models:
- first one, with gear stick
- updated one with round gear selector knob from 2012
- 2014 facelift with new headlights and black rear lights.
And all FLs of the original D3.
Now I’m in trouble with the FL deniers.
13th Mar 2021 6:42 pm
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Of which there was just one ISTR - demarcated by wheel arch colour/bumper - black (original), colour coded (MY09?)Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
13th Mar 2021 6:45 pm
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Not sure a bit of paint on the bumper and wheel arch goes far enough to be counted as a FL.
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13th Mar 2021 6:49 pm
Yargo
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DSL wrote:
Not sure a bit of paint on the bumper and wheel arch goes far enough to be counted as a FL.
In official automotive world it counts as facelift In reality - D3 and D4 are quite different cars under the skin - mechanically and electronically.
13th Mar 2021 6:53 pm
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Dear Yargo ...we have been on the site for 15 years ....we know already
Go for a 2014MY> if you can ...8 speed is 2012MY> and a must, but the main changes from 2012MY and 2014MY> were:
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Fresh Design, Improved Economy and New Features for 2014 Discovery 03 September 2013
â– Exterior refresh with distinctive new face and new 'Discovery' badging
â– New highly efficient 340PS 3.0 V6 S/C petrol engine replaces 5.0 V8
â– Intelligent Stop-Start improves fuel economy and reduces emissions
â– New optional single-speed transfer box for revised four-wheel drive powertrain
â– Eight-speed ZF automatic transmission for all models
â– Upgraded models available to order now with deliveries from mid-November (UK.)
Land Rover announces the upgraded 2014 Discovery. The multi-award winning vehicle gets a new look, new badging, new V6 petrol engine, new fuel stretching technology, new single-speed drivetrain, improved audio systems and a new range of driver assistance, comfort and safety features to broaden its appeal even further. The core attributes are carried over into the 2014 models which will be available to order now with deliveries from mid-November.
"The hugely popular Discovery continues to move from strength to strength and the addition of the new 3.0 S/C petrol engine to the 2014 range underpins our commitment to delivering power with sustainability. As one of the world's most stylish, capable and versatile SUVs, the Discovery is the perfect vehicle for people who enjoy living an active lifestyle to the full," said Land Rover Global Brand Director, John Edwards.
For 2014, Discovery has been given a new 'face' and numerous detail exterior changes. A new front grille, new front bumper, new headlamp design, new daytime running lights with a distinctive LED signature, plus two new alloy wheel designs, further enhance the Discovery's appearance. To give vehicles a heightened level of distinction, the optional 'Black Design Pack' remains available for 2014 models, with revised detailing, plus 19-inch and 20-inch black alloy wheels.
New 'Discovery' badging
In recognition of the Discovery's established identity, the refreshed exterior design for 2014 also incorporates a change of identity for the vehicle in many markets. For the first time ever, the name 'Discovery' name replaces 'Land Rover' on the bonnet and the number 4 will be removed from the tailgate leaving just the word 'Discovery.'
Engine badging moves from the tailgate to an ingot mounted on each of the front doors. This side badging will reflect the engine type and appear as either, 'SCV6,' 'SDV6' or 'TDV6' in markets where the lower-power diesel engine is offered. In the USA and the Middle East the vehicle's badging will remain as previous models.
Highly efficient petrol V6 replaces V8
Underlining Land Rover's commitment to power with sustainability, the 5-litre V8 petrol engine is replaced with the highly efficient 3.0 V6 S/C and fuel-stretching Intelligent Stop-Start technology is introduced on all petrol and diesel engines in a number of key markets. All models are equipped with an eight-speed ZF automatic transmission.
The new V6 generates 340PS and torque of 450Nm to deliver acceleration from 0-6mph in 7.7 seconds and a top speed 121mph. Thanks to the new unit's enhanced efficiency and the fitting of Intelligent Stop-Start, the 2014 Discovery with this engine produces just 269g/km of CO2.
In markets where diesel is popular, the 2014 Discovery will be available with two 'carry-over' 3-litre engines - the 211PS 3.0 TDV6 and the class-leading 256PS 3.0 SDV6 - with CO2 emissions reduced to 207g/km and 213g/km, and fuel consumption improved to 36.2mpg (combined cycle) and 35.3mpg for the SDV6.
New optional single-speed transfer box
For 2014 models, buyers will be offered a choice of two four-wheel drive systems with the new single-speed transfer box or the carry-over twin-speed transfer box which offers high and low range for the most demanding off-road conditions.
The single-speed transfer box acknowledges that some customers do not need to fully exploit the Discovery's off-road capabilities. Mechanically controlled, it weighs 18kg less than the two-speed box, features a Torsen differential and provides a 42/58 percent front-rear torque split.
New driver aids and premium audio
The new range of driver assistance, comfort and safety features for the 2014 Discovery include: Wade Sensing (a technology unique to Land Rover), Blind Spot Monitoring, Closing Vehicle Sensing, Reverse Traffic Detection and T-junction Cameras.
To align the 2014 Discovery with other Range Rover vehicles, it will be available with Meridian premium audio. The standard system features 8 speakers and 380 Watts of power, while the Meridian Surround system produces an impressive 825 Watts output and features 17 speakers.
Technical Specifications
3.0L V6 Diesel (UK/Euro)
3.0L V6 S/C Petrol (Euro)
3.0L V6 S/C Petrol (US)
Engine type
3.0L SDV6 Diesel
3.0L SCV6 Petrol
3.0L SCV6 Petrol
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13th Mar 2021 7:00 pm
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A new engine, new dash and a smiley face front for most manufacturers in the same body shell counts as a mid life upgrade or FL, for LR it was a while new model. I’ve had 3 D3s and one D4, strange how similar the latter was to the former, and that so many of my D3 bits fitted the D4. Plus even LR weren’t convinced it was a truly new model, it didn’t even earn a new model designation and they stuck with L319. They did the same upgrades on the RRS but that was not a new model.
I rest my case m’lud.
13th Mar 2021 7:02 pm
Yargo
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DG
Thank you. Then I will pass that MY2012, I want 8 speed gearbox, which means I need to look for MY2014.
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