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Mixing tyres on different axles
I need to replace the front two tyres that have Scorpion Zeros that are getting down to the minimum.
Not happy at how fast these have worn down given that i got 72K out of the original Michelins on my Disco2...
i was thinking of either a pair of Wintrac 4 or AT2's - would it be ok to put a pair of these up front and leave the Scorpion Zeros on the rear - as they still have reasonable tread on them.
Thanks
8th Jan 2010 3:14 pm
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On same axel shoudl be fine, esp if you put wintrac on the front, extra stopping grip Bodsys Brake Bible
Wintracs (I'm assuming) are winter tyres. Therefore they will not only wear down at an abysmal rate in summer but you will also suffer from reduced grip.
Winter tyres have a tread and, more importantly, a rubber compound that is biased towards winter. Usually above 10 degrees C they do not perform very well and wear at quite a rate.The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
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Lux - whilst you'd expect the Wintracs to wear fast in the summer, somehow they don't! The compound is harder than Scorpions, with vastly reduced wear rate, but the grip is far far better in all conditions (that I've tested them in) I fitted mine in May last year, and they've done about 15k (miles) ish with very little wear. At the current rate I reckon they'll be good for 30K miles plus, maybe much more. I've run them on hot motorways, deep mud, grass, sand, loads of snow and ice, and even this morning at -10 dec C they were fantastic. So the belief that all winter bias tyres wear fast in summer is not true. HTH Stirling
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8th Jan 2010 7:46 pm
tintenter
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sorry haven't got a picture but the wintracs i have been running have now done 27k miles and look like they will be good for at least another 6 - 10k and that is running all year round and they performed very well when driving round the tracks whilst doing the D3 winch training. will certainly be putting a fresh set of the same back on when the need it.Tintenter
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On my old D3 I tried this as an experiment. Had Scorpions on the front axle and MTRs on the back. On smooth roads (not many of those here) it was ok, on dirt roads (many here) semi-ok, but on rough patched paved roads the D3 wanted to swap ends. It drove as poorly as a Nissan Patrol or Landcruiser I suspect it was caused by the MTRs being a bit bigger in diameter than the Scorpions and this mucked up the speed sensors, and hence stability control. I wouldn't have wanted to do this experiment on ice!Jim Dowell - D4 HSE TDi, 12,000 hydraulic winch & hidden winch mount, MTRs, TyreDog, Traxide 2 x aux battery system, fixed air compressor, Dolium roof rack, MitchHitch.
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9th Jan 2010 3:12 am
Ken
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Guys Winter Tyres are for Winter it is as simple as that (What ever the make) They have compounds & tread patterns to deal with the Exetremes of Winter and what it can throw at you.
You may choose to run them all year hey why not its your car after all but in no way does it detract from they are a Winter tyre
Me I'd never mix an All season tyre with a seasonal tyre or mix a MTR with all Terrain etc but thats my choice I will always run all the same unless an exceptional circumstance dictates otherwise
Its not been tried in court (that I could find) but I wonder what may happen in a RTC investigation if a car was found to be on a seaonal tyre in he incorrect season is that enough of a route out (I dont no but dont want to find out)
Its not been tried in court (that I could find) but I wonder what may happen in a RTC investigation if a car was found to be on a seaonal tyre in he incorrect season is that enough of a route out (I dont no but dont want to find out)
Over here (European Continent) you would be found to be driving a vehicle that does not have tyres suitable to the conditions.
Goes both ways - in many countries (Lux included), winter tyres are not compulsory by law. But do not have an RTC when the snow comes down and you are on non-winter type tyres. That is very clear from the Assurance Association and our equivalent of the AA.
Interestingly, off-road biased tyres will generally be seen to be okay (AT's. MTR's even my STT's) - due to depth of tread etc.
@ridgeback_moor - point noted. I'm surprised, though TBH. The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeksnearly 4 weeksover 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
9th Jan 2010 8:59 am
AJS4X4
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It is not illegal to mix the same size tyres of the right speed and load rating, fact.
It's not a good idea to mix different makes, because of the different level of grip.
Always keep the same tyres on each axle unless there is a problem, i.e, puncture.
L/Rover and lots of other makes give you a space saver as a spare with a 50mph speed limit.
Yes I agree that at the end of the day it's each individuals choice as to what tyres they use.
You CAN run winter tyres all year round as you CAN run MT tyres all year round.
MT tyres are for MUD, but you use them all year round, no problem.
Look at your needs, ask advice and make your choice, most important are speed and load rating.
And most important of all make sure you have the min tread depth as it's illegal not to and carries fines and points on your licence.
Noel - agree. The point being, though, is that if something happened when you have the KL71's on you should be okay from an insurance perspective.
I am a winter tyre convert. Never knew they existed until I moved to Luxembourg....now I never go anywhere (on road ) without them between November and March.The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeksnearly 4 weeksover 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
9th Jan 2010 9:35 am
AJS4X4
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The boys tell me this morning that yesterday afternoon they fitted another set of Vredestein Wintrac 4 Xtreme's on one of our customers L322 R/Rover, and he got 40,000+ miles out of them, so they don't do tooooooooooo bad do they compared to a Scorpion, in fact about the same as an MT/R.
Andy.
P.S. Don't mix KL71 WITH kl17
9th Jan 2010 9:46 am
AJS4X4
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If you are that worried about tyres contact your Insurance company, but remember sometimes there can be "too much information".
Andy.
9th Jan 2010 9:50 am
fat bloke
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As the Vredestein tyre is rated only speed H not V would that effect any warranty?
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I suspect it was caused by the MTRs being a bit bigger in diameter than the Scorpions and this mucked up the speed sensors, and hence stability control. I wouldn't have wanted to do this experiment on ice!
) without them between November and March.
