Littlejimmy
Member Since: 23 Jun 2013
Location: Aberdeenshire
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| Brake disc renew time! Best option? |
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Here is the problem, buying a set of 17" wheels and tyres to keep me going over the winter and possibly keep on if I like the ride ( mud or all terrains ) off road a lot. Read all about the brake upgrade but sadly understand it won't fit the 17" setup. Do I just fit standard discs and pads all round or go drilled and Grooved? And if so what brand and set up works best? Any experience? Worth it?
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Advanced Factors
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Member Since: 27 Nov 2012
Location: Southampton
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Background first....
I have been in the Motor Trade since 1980 and worked within Motor Factors since 1989, Our salesman joined us in 2005 from TMD Friction.
Brake Discs
Nearly every brake disc on sale in the UK comes from China, it is the cheapest place to make them and our country is geared to paying as little as it can for them. However there is good and bad from China as there is from every country, for example TRW and Brembo both own their own factories in country so expect them to be of top quality. Most of the other brands that you would buy in the UK are a case of box engineering (including our own stock) however experience tells me what to buy and we are pretty happy with brands such as Brembo & TRW of course then Juratek, Borg & Beck, National, Meyle & Blueprint, I am sure others could be okay but I want to speak from experience, none of these make their own but they have high level of input in quality control.
Coated discs are the rage at present but the industry has been too quick and sold discs that are coated all over, this coating if on the friction surface is absorbed into the pad material and causes squeal.
Brake Pads
There is some UK manufacture left on these but the majority come from Germany, India, Italy, China & Spain.
Don't get caught up in some clever brand engineering on these products most Germanic sounding products come from China!
Big names have come and gone over the years and become little more than licenced names with a mixture of products in the box....Pagid & Lucas are good examples of that.
In terms of brake comfort some of the cheaper products can be better as they are softer but I look for construction technique.
Simple things like does the pad have a rubber coating on the rear, this is okay but it is cheap and will wear through (sometimes the OE pad is like this though so others follow) a better backing for a pad is a shim but again this should be coated and not just a piece of steel, The lack of shim (or worn through rubber coating) is responsible for the majority of squeal issues. Shamfered edges and centre grooves are added to assist with dust removal (anti-squeal) and these are expected when the original has them. A good coating of paint or powder over the rest of the pad is useful to stop corrosion getting behind the material and being responsible for a de-bond.
Drilled & Grooved
If you have them you rate them but honestly they are only better than what you took off so unless you have a F1 why bother. This is where the relevance to Paul comes in, he worked for TMD (they own the brands of Mintex, Textar & Pagid) they always regarded these as "Cheese cutters" that offered little gain for additional wear. Paul Redding
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| 17th Nov 2013 10:08 am |
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Alan B
Member Since: 12 Feb 2013
Location: Fife
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Steve.  
Little jimmy, the drilled and grooved discs are not worth considering if you do a fair bit of off roading.
They just fill up with crap anyway. So why bother?
D3 57 xs Stornaway grey
D2 02 commercial silver gone but a great servant and won't be forgotten
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| 17th Nov 2013 10:25 am |
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stew 46
Member Since: 01 Dec 2011
Location: cornwall
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Think I'm gonna order them Monday for mine my rear ones are Metal to metal  so gotta take the Volvo T5 out today  -------------------------------------------------
if you cant hold on dont let go , it ill come in handy for something even if you never use it.
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110 s wagon 300 tdi SOLD
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| 17th Nov 2013 10:58 am |
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therso
Member Since: 01 Dec 2010
Location: Here!
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Just ordered the V8 upgrade kit (rear) from Advanced Factors. Now have front and rear sets
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Advanced Factors
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Member Since: 27 Nov 2012
Location: Southampton
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Paul Redding
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BLFarrar
Member Since: 02 Aug 2006
Location: Deepest, Dankest, Darkest, Dingiest......Le Halifax, West Yorkshire...with strong links to Ireland
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it will be the V8 option...
& not just 'cos they look cool...
they stop the D3 better BREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
Founder: Dipsticks-R-Us Inc
D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
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