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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
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DG wrote:LT wrote:In the future I'll pay more attention to the LR models that I don't own. 
Paul, you too have played your part, so as far as I'm concerned we are all guilty m'laud. Look nobody died ...it's just a metal thing with 4 wheels and some windows that some can see out of 
Anyway, I'm off out for a drive 
Can’t say I have, I have said for sometime I don’t like the back end, I like the front very much the rear quarter is strange, but the car isn’t aimed at me. My wife thinks it  as do the kids so I won’t be having one. I’ve also said the I’m pleased for those that like their car, my opinion of it matters not one jot. I also think that sales are irrelevant, a mondeo sells more units than Aston Martin but I know which I’d rather have.
I am genuinely interested in what the D5 is like and I read the forum from time to time, I don’t see why it has to be all so tribal. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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kajtzu wrote:Start here 
https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/forum-threa...ctric+blue
Thanks 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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| 17th May 2018 7:19 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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LT wrote:
I only ever drove it either on my own or with one passenger though. I did wonder how it would cope with all 7 seats in use or in the bigger/heavier Velar and D5 when they're fully laden.
190BHP in the D3 seemed to be ok towing or with 7 up judging by the number of people who are happy with their old Discos. No reason why 240 won't be ok in a lighter vehicle. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 17th May 2018 7:54 pm |
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Robse
Member Since: 10 Jun 2014
Location: Cambridgeshire
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Can’t we have a Velar section instead ?! They’re a different breed on the forum I joined  Velar MY18 D180 S Narvik
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| 17th May 2018 8:35 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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I didn’t get that far, had a quick browse and checked out. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 17th May 2018 8:51 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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RRSTDV8 wrote:LT wrote:
I only ever drove it either on my own or with one passenger though. I did wonder how it would cope with all 7 seats in use or in the bigger/heavier Velar and D5 when they're fully laden.
190BHP in the D3 seemed to be ok towing or with 7 up judging by the number of people who are happy with their old Discos. No reason why 240 won't be ok in a lighter vehicle.
But the bhp figure doesn’t really count, it’s the torque curve that’s everything. It’s comparatively easy to get 240 bhp out of an engine, if you get a moderate amount of torque at only one point very high up in the rev range and multiply that torque figure by lots and lots of revs.
I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with the 240 Ingenium (though it does need to rev to really fly - which it does convincingly!), but a much lower bhp output engine, with a broader torque curve, may pull a large amount of weight with a great more conviction 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 17th May 2018 9:21 pm |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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Pelyma wrote:
I am genuinely interested in what the D5 is like and I read the forum from time to time, I don’t see why it has to be all so tribal.
Any one who is really interested in the D5 should visit the Disco5 forum to get the warts and all viewpoint.
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| 17th May 2018 9:27 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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RRSTDV8 wrote:LT wrote:
I only ever drove it either on my own or with one passenger though. I did wonder how it would cope with all 7 seats in use or in the bigger/heavier Velar and D5 when they're fully laden.
190BHP in the D3 seemed to be ok towing or with 7 up judging by the number of people who are happy with their old Discos. No reason why 240 won't be ok in a lighter vehicle.
Do you know the torque figure for the 2.0 240? More relevant, IMO, for towing and off road use. The bhp on some large truck engines is surprisingly low, the torque is immense though.
 I hadn't got as far as RedMerles post before replying. Great minds..... 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 17th May 2018 9:53 pm |
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Stuff
Member Since: 04 Sep 2015
Location: In between cradle and grave
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What I want is somewhere to have a really good discussion about the command driving position. MY91 110 CSW, so long ago I can barely remember it - sold
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| 17th May 2018 9:56 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
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LT wrote:Do you know the torque figure for the 2.0 240?
The 240 is 500 N⋅m (369 lb⋅ft) @ 1,500
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| 17th May 2018 9:57 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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Very impressive. I wonder if there's a torque curve graph out there. Would be interesting to compare with the old 2.7 TDV6. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 17th May 2018 10:04 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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Red Merle wrote:
But the bhp figure doesn’t really count, it’s the torque curve that’s everything.
The torque curve only matters in so far as it tells you at what revs the power is made. But it's the power that does the work.
If I stand on the end of a 3ft bar attached to an axle, I generate nearly 700lbft of torque. But I will generate no power. And the vehicle won't move. Or if it moves, it will do so very slowly because I will generate very little power even though there is, by car standards, a huge amount of torque available.
I wouldn't disagree that a "torquey" engine is more relaxing, more "effortless" to drive, but a more powerful one will do the job quicker if asked. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 17th May 2018 10:06 pm |
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dantheman
Member Since: 12 Mar 2010
Location: Essex
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DG wrote:LT wrote:Do you know the torque figure for the 2.0 240?
The 240 is 500 N⋅m (369 lb⋅ft) @ 1,500
You said its now detuned to 430 N/m. Is that the correct figure? Today is the oldest you've been and the youngest you'll ever be again.
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| 17th May 2018 10:11 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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DG wrote:LT wrote:Do you know the torque figure for the 2.0 240?
The 240 is 500 N⋅m (369 lb⋅ft) @ 1,500
The old 2.7TDV6 was about 325lbft at 1900rpm.
So the 240 is better on top end power and low end power (torque) too. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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