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which magazines used car report
Extract from the current magazine reads" for an iconic British marque, with both luxury and off road appeal its a shame to see that , once again, Land rover is letting down owners spectacularly. Its models make up four of the bottom five least-reliable cars from this years survey"
26th Aug 2018 4:17 pm
Dillon
Member Since: 05 Jan 2018
Location: Brighton
Posts: 103
Yes but at least they are consistant!! it's like this most years!!
26th Aug 2018 5:53 pm
Pip66
Member Since: 26 Sep 2016
Location: Ely.
Posts: 170
2008 G4 D3 vehicle No 11. UK selections.
2003 G4 D2 vehicle No 125. South African workshop car.
26th Aug 2018 6:55 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
My old man, who’s now 87, has been a subscriber from the very beginning, so I’ve always been used to the magazine being available since I was able to read.
I’ve hardly ever found a report worthy of taking too seriously in all that time! They spread themselves so thinly, over so many different machines, appliances, services and products that when it comes to getting serious advice, they’re usually well out of their depth. Yet they talk like it’s come straight from on high!
For instance, looking at this car review episode:
The BMW 3 Series is their pick of “Large” cars. Large car?!
The Disco Sport come at the bottom of the “Large” SUV category, while the Peugeot 3008 and BMW X5 are the Best Buys of the same category. The same category for these 3 cars? Seriously?!
The Evoque is judged in the same “Luxury Large SUV” category as the X5, Q7 and Touareg.
The review on the old RRS says that it “drinks fuel at an alarming rate”, without giving any information about their being a choice of engines and which one(s) they are referring to.
How many of us have filled in one of their survey forms? I’ve usually found that it’s difficult to give meaningful responses to some of the slightly odd questions that they ask, with multi-guess answers, only some of which allow a reply that conveys an accurate answer.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
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26th Aug 2018 7:09 pm
tayaste
Member Since: 15 May 2013
Location: Chester
Posts: 7633
Dillon wrote:
Yes but at least they are consistant!! it's like this most years!!
Spot on
26th Aug 2018 7:35 pm
armalites
Member Since: 17 Aug 2013
Location: Herefordshire
Posts: 1918
I used to be a Which subscriber and I must admit I got fed up with the model selections and judging criteria.
I contacted them once about a review on cordless drills as they didn't include a Dewalt, I was told it was because they were trade products yet they included a Makita. Both brands available in any DIY store.
The other thing they never took account of is after sales support, could you buy spares etc so they would often recommend generic stuff based on price that you would throw away in a couple of years.
When I read a review I like to see which item has the best performance/quality and not have it down rated because it cost twice as much.IID PRO
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26th Aug 2018 9:18 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
That sounds familiar.
For the next month’s issue they’ll need to be self proclaimed “experts” on fridge/freezers, pensions and I dare say, dog food 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
26th Aug 2018 9:35 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6261
I tend to ignore stuff like that, even though my Velar has had issues, it’s not a true reflection of my ownership experience. It’s been relatively trouble free, hence I’m now on number 10.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
26th Aug 2018 9:40 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 13912
My Old Bus is the most stupidly reliable car ever. I never think it won't ever do what I ask of her. I've had it 13.5 years and see no reason to change it. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
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26th Aug 2018 9:44 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
Oh yes, I forgot to add - the MINI Countryman (2010-17), a stupid and ugly fashion trinket, with no discernible merit whatsoever, is one of two “Best Buys” in the “Compact & Small SUV’s and Crossovers” section!
PS: and I used to be a big BMW MINI fan 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
27th Aug 2018 10:13 am
Woolmeister
Member Since: 26 Mar 2007
Location: Chandler's Ford
Posts: 3457
Red Merle wrote:
The Disco Sport come at the bottom of the “Large” SUV category, while the Peugeot 3008 and BMW X5 are the Best Buys of the same category. The same category for these 3 cars? Seriously?!
The Discovery Sport is a massive pile of crap, though. Can't wait to get rid of mine. You don't need to read Which? to realise that. Just look at all the replies on Land Rover social media accounts lately.
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2019 Škoda Kodiaq 2.0 Tdi 190 DSG Sportline in Quartz Grey. Excellent vehicle. Gone.
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2007 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Manual in Zermatt Silver with Ebony Cloth (143k) Gone, but now patrolling the Asia section of the West Midlands Safari Park!
27th Aug 2018 3:16 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
When the Freelander 2 became the Disco Sport, I moved on to the proper Disco for a good reason. Personally, I wouldn’t choose a DS, even if it had a perfect reliability record.
What surprised me was that the 3 cars were never meant to compete against one another, yet here they are lumped together as one!2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
27th Aug 2018 3:35 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
Oh, there’s another gem from this Which? Report. In the “Large car” section (where, apparently, the BMW 3 Series scores more highly than a 7 Series or S Class):
“Large cars, on average, have bigger boots than most SUV’s”.
Gosh. I didn’t know that! And I struggled to get a compact, 2 seater, garden bench into the back of the D5 (tapered C pillars and low roof over the rear seats - argh!). If only I’d though to borrow a 3 Series saloon and my problems would have been over. Good old Which? A mine of reliable information 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
27th Aug 2018 5:00 pm
adam
Member Since: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Home and Happy
Posts: 6917
So apart from all of the above its clearly a spot on piece of consumer reporting
27th Aug 2018 5:04 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
Unless I can think of anything in the next 10 minutes, apart from those minor transgressions, it’s quality stuff 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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