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Well, the question is largely rhetorical.
However, when I was in Scotland before Christmas, I picked up copies of the Disco3 brochure and pricelist. I was surprised to find that the HSE configuration described in these is completely different from the HSE I have ordered here. Although I had understood that there could be differences in models delivered in various markets, I had imagined that an HSE was an HSE was an HSE, with any changes restricted to minor matters (like making the shape of the rear lights comply with local regulations, for example). However, while a British HSE is a very complete package, the German HSE is much more basic and the buyer has to add a long list of extras to make it equivalent to the UK version. Mind you, we get the mud-flaps thrown in, that you don’t – whoopee!. And I suppose the German method is more flexible.
Of course, when I saw the number of extras I would have to order to get a “real” HSE, my first thought was that I was being ripped off. However, once I had done the sums as in the table below, I found that the difference isn’t really all that much, £36,920 in Britain compared to £37,958 in Germany (assuming €1,45 to the pound). The price difference seems reasonable enough to me and within the limits one might expect from exchange rate fluctuations (if you Brits had the Euro the comparison would have been easier - but that's another story  ).
Since I thought that other potential buyers in Germany, and maybe elsewhere outside Britain, could be confused when people talk about an HSE in the forum, here are the calculations, as I made them.
The prices are given without VAT/Mehrwertsteuer. An entry of 0,00 indicates a feature which is provided as standard.
I couldn’t find anything in the German brochures corresponding to the ‘Load space cover –parcel shelf’, so I used the British price. What is this?
UK Germany
£ £ €
1,00 1,50
1 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE base price 36.840,00 27.758,62 41.637,93
2 6-Speed adaptive automatic gearbox 0,00 1.206,89 1.810,34
3 4 Corner air suspension with Terrain Response 0,00 0,00 0,00
4 19 inch alloy wheels 0,00 413,79 620,69
5 Automatic climate control 0,00 0,00 0,00
6 Cruise control 0,00 0,00 0,00
7 Load space cover - parcel shelf 0,00 123,40 185,11
8 Lower centre console cooler box 0,00 189,65 284,48
9 Personal telephone integration w Bluetooth 0,00 833,33 1.250,00
10 Rear air conditioning 0,00 545,98 818,97
11 Sunroof plus Alpine Roof 0,00 804,60 1.206,90
12 Ultrasonic alarm system 0,00 132,19 198,28
13 Navigation system 0,00 1.149,43 1.724,14
14 Premium navigation system upgrade 0,00 402,30 603,45
15 Metallic / Micatallic paint 0,00 442,53 663,79
16 Bi-Xenon headlights 0,00 0,00 0,00
17 Adaptive front headlights 0,00 229,89 344,83
18 Front and rear mudflaps 80,00 0,00 0,00
19 Park Distance Control - Rear 0,00 0,00 0,00
20 Park Distance Control - Front 0,00 201,15 301,72
21 Powerfold exterior mirrors 0,00 143,68 215,52
22 Roof rails 0,00 132,19 198,28
23 7 Seat Pack 0,00 804,60 1.206,90
24 Convenience Pack 0,00 0,00 0,00
25 Leather Pack 0,00 0,00 0,00
26 Bright Pack 0,00 0,00 0,00
27 Cold Climate Pack 0,00 574,71 862,07
28 Hi ICE Pack harmon/kardon 0,00 0,00 0,00
29 Premium ICE Pack harmon/kardon 0,00 603,45 905,17
36.920,00 36.692,38 55.038,57
(Despite sweating over this table, the forum software still swallows all multiple spaces, as I've complained before  Sorry! The three price columns are UK price in £, German price in £ and Euro.)
Well, if you folks back home would pull the finger out and work a bit harder, then maybe I could even feel I’d made a profit on the deal, if the pound gets a bit stronger again before I have to pay for the car  . My car, as I have ordered it here, is pretty well the British HSE specification but without the Alpine roof, 19 inch wheels, cooler box and front PDC (or the mysterious load space cover).
But don’t work too hard – Happy New Year!
Eric
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OK, now i've got a headache
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Nice one Eric. This has come up in the past but I don't think anyone else has gone into such detail.
Basically the UK spec models are all singing and dancing compared with most of the rest of the world which has to add bits to make them up to the same spec, and why not - they make them over here, they rip us off on anything and everything, so they only sell them fully loaded to make us feel better 
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espri
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Was that from Hogmanay, TFC, or the botched up table? Sorry about that!
Eric
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More likely from finally surfacing from all things in blue bottles 
Port, Gin & methylated spirit 
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Eric, I've found a way to keep the spaces correctly, and have edited your table accordingly  You're right though, it is a labour of love
The [code] and [/code] tags around a block of text will keep the formatting but uses a fixed width font, so that the spaces you type come out the same width as a letter... But it works!
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... or you could always upload it to your gallery as a spreadsheet and put the link in your posting
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espri
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Many thanks for your help, Martin.
I had wondered about uploading the Excel spreadsheet I did the calculations in but hadn't the nerve to try it!
Eric
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10forcash wrote:More likely from finally surfacing from all things in blue bottles
Port, Gin & methylated spirit
plan B for when fuse 11 blows. Breath on the windows ....
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lee01277 wrote:10forcash wrote:More likely from finally surfacing from all things in blue bottles
Port, Gin & methylated spirit
plan B for when fuse 11 blows. Breath on the windows ....
You saw my plan eh?
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I have just gone through the same excercise comparing the price and spec here in Belgium against the spec/price in UK, With BTW (VAT) at 21% and higher car tax in Belgium I have opted to get a left hand drive one built to UK spec and use it in the UK for a year or so then personal export it to Belgium there by making the final bill slightly easier on my pocket  Roll on the 3rd week in Sept.
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Maybe HSE means High Sodding Expense....'cos they are
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