rich
Member Since: 02 Jul 2005
Location: North Island, New Zealand
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Can someone please point me to any threads here that give LATEST 4 wheel alignment settings?. Can we ascertain any record of changes to settings from LR as wear patterns have been established and probs have arisen.? Near enough 40 degrees South!!!
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 4th Mar 2006 12:16 am |
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Winger
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Location: UK
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I don't think that the settings have been posted before, but here they are:
All figures target data:
Front
Castor +3° 45'
Camber -0° 20'
Cross Camber +0° 45'
Individual Toe -0° 05'
Total Toe -0° 10'
Rear
Camber -0° 10'
Cross Camber +0° 45'
Individual Toe +0° 03'
Total Toe +0° 05'
Driving Axis +0° 00'
By way of example, I was suffering noticeable FRS and RLS inner edge/shoulder tyre wear; the camber settings prior to adjustment were -1°12' and -1°36' respectively.
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| 4th Mar 2006 7:15 pm |
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rich
Member Since: 02 Jul 2005
Location: North Island, New Zealand
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Thanks winger.... I will compare with readings I have had. Do we have any method of knowing if these have been changed as probs have arisen?
B glad to hear of anyone elses experiences re tyre wear... particularly rear... Near enough 40 degrees South!!!
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| 4th Mar 2006 10:42 pm |
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Winger
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Location: UK
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Rich,
The settings haven't changed, to the best of my knowledge. Those are the design settings. The problem is that vehicles are coming out of the factory with misaligned wheels - hence the tyre wear.
Some of this is minor, and the owner probably isn't aware or plain doesn't look; some is major; some owners are more aware of these kind of issues than others; some dealers are even telling owners that unusual tyre wear is normal and that certain adjustments just cannot be made.......
Worth pointing out, of course, that the traget data allows for some allowable range or results. I got so bored with degree and minute signs I didn't put the ranges in!
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| 5th Mar 2006 12:59 pm |
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Engin
Member Since: 02 Mar 2006
Location: Ankara
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Winger, I just got my LR3 about 3 weeks ago. I read your post yesterday and got the wheel alignment checked right away. The shop did not have the settings for the new Disco3, so I was hesitant to make the changes even though I had the settings you had provided.
Here comes the question: Is there a difference between the air suspension and the regular suspension vehicles? (Mine is air-susp.)
The settings on my Disco are:
Front
Left Right
Camber -0º50´ -0º50´
Cross Camber 0º05´
Castor 4º05´ 4º15´
Cross Castor -0º10´
Toe -0.09º -0.09º
Total Toe -0.19º
Rear
Left Right
Camber -1º10´ -1º05´
Cross Camber -0º05´
Toe 0.10º 0.11º
Total Toe 0.20º
Driving Axis -0º00´
Some of these settings seem to be way off, but there is not much difference from side to side. Are we sure about these settings for the 2006 air-suspension Disco3?
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| 7th Mar 2006 10:08 am |
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Winger
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Location: UK
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Cannot check at the moment, as I am in Norway and the figures aren't. Will take a look when I get home.
Yes, the data is correct for all D3s.
At least yours looks consistent - which is a step in the right direction.
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| 7th Mar 2006 10:08 pm |
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Engin
Member Since: 02 Mar 2006
Location: Ankara
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Thanks, let me know 
I will also try to check with the main dealer here tomorrow.
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| 8th Mar 2006 6:14 am |
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Winger
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Location: UK
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Engin wrote:The settings on my Disco are:
Front
Left Right
Camber -0º50´ -0º50´
Cross Camber 0º05´
Castor 4º05´ 4º15´
Cross Castor -0º10´
Toe -0.09º -0.09º
Total Toe -0.19º
Rear
Left Right
Camber -1º10´ -1º05´
Cross Camber -0º05´
Toe 0.10º 0.11º
Total Toe 0.20º
Driving Axis -0º00´
Your front camber is on the limit, front Castor looks a little too high - though marginal. Toe is within range.
Rear Camber is well off, and should start to show inner edge wear at those levels - neg 40' would be the end of the range, the other readings are all within limits.
The only reading that is bang on is the Driving Axis.
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| 8th Mar 2006 7:27 pm |
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Engin
Member Since: 02 Mar 2006
Location: Ankara
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When I look at the X5's, (which are much more like a car than an SUV, I know) I see that the rear cambers are visibly negative. This is my first SUV, but I had also dialled more than 1 deg. camber on my old Porsche, while the suggested factory setting was neutral, and had no issue with tire wear.
Knowing  that there is a distinct positive handling effect on the road, I am inclined to leave the rear cambers and watch carefully for signs of uneven wear.
I am planning to adjust the front castor. Although there is power steering, I think this is making the steering heavier in tight turns. Is my assumption correct?
Thanks for your advice, Winger. I'll let you know about the rear camber & tire wear.
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| 9th Mar 2006 12:09 pm |
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LeighW
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Member Since: 31 Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, AUS
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Whilst I can't contribute any useful info about wheel alignment, I can advise how to show the ± sign (useful for showing ranges of acceptable values, etc.)
When composing the post, simply hold down the Alt key and press 0177 on the Number Pad, then release the Alt key. (Not sure how to do that on a Mac keyboard though.)
HTH LeighW
The old girl is on her third engine...
* first ran a bearing (design failure in original engine)
* second had a failure of the water outlet on top of the engine (pls check yours)
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| 5th May 2006 4:39 am |
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vogue se
Member Since: 11 Jan 2007
Location: Belgium is not that big!!!
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In what suspension position do you put the D3 to do the alignment? My Kyoto is fantastic
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| 20th Mar 2008 1:01 pm |
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Winger
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Normal height
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| 20th Mar 2008 7:53 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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There has been a software update to the suspension to create a 'Dynamic Suspension Geometry Setting Mode'
Quote:New functionality has been added to the integrated diagnostic system (IDS) that allows the vehicle dynamic suspension (air suspension) to be temporarily set in a geometry setting mode. This mode changes the suspension ride height tolerances to a lower/tighter range (±5mm) to allow for accurate geometry adjustment
the relevant TSB was issued 19th September 2006
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| 21st Mar 2008 12:04 am |
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vogue se
Member Since: 11 Jan 2007
Location: Belgium is not that big!!!
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10forcash wrote:There has been a software update to the suspension to create a 'Dynamic Suspension Geometry Setting Mode'
Quote:New functionality has been added to the integrated diagnostic system (IDS) that allows the vehicle dynamic suspension (air suspension) to be temporarily set in a geometry setting mode. This mode changes the suspension ride height tolerances to a lower/tighter range (±5mm) to allow for accurate geometry adjustment
the relevant TSB was issued 19th September 2006
Thanks for the info. Any idea how to set this IDS?? My Kyoto is fantastic
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| 21st Mar 2008 8:05 am |
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