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To answer your question "what is the difference?", most estate car tailgates aren't designed with both ends capable of functioning like the tin opening attachment on a Swiss Army Knife! I dread to think what might have happened if your good lady had hit her head on one of those, instead of the blunt tailgate on the Galaxy 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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7th Dec 2016 5:22 am
RDR
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The cars doing the rounds are pre production and not even road legal they are missing some mechanical components, engine management components and airbags according to one of the reps. That said the majority is as of production so I would say this " grand tour" is good live proving for wear and tear.
So if we consider theses cars have had say 100k of people playing with them it's probably A good few years worth of normal usage for the the doors, seats and buttons.
Back on the design of the tailgate if you look at it when it's open, the depth at the top is big including the spoiler, I pointed this out as one of my spaces at work is low and even if I restrict the tailgate opening it's the height where it hinges that will be the problem it's a good 9 inches when open I would say.MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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7th Dec 2016 6:30 am
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Red Merle wrote:
To answer your question "what is the difference?", most estate car tailgates aren't designed with both ends capable of functioning like the tin opening attachment on a Swiss Army Knife! I dread to think what might have happened if your good lady had hit her head on one of those, instead of the blunt tailgate on the Galaxy
Sorry i could not disagree more, the tailgate on the Galaxy we had is just as capable of injury as the D5 and for that matter most other modern estate type carsMY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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7th Dec 2016 6:40 am
Red Merle
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Hmmm...
Let's go back through my back catalogue of estate cars and see if anything came close to being this dangerous:
2 x Disco, no.
3 x Freelander 2, nope.
3 x Volvo V70 phase 2, no.
1 x Citroen C5, no.
3 x Citroen XM, nope.
1 x Peugeot 406, erm, no.
2 x Peugeot 405, no.
2 x Montego, no.
1 x Peugeot 505, no.
1 x Peugeot 504, not that one either.
19 Estate cars later and none of them had bottom corners like this. As you say that "most other modern estate cars" are similar, please would you show me a picture of just one example? I'm struggling to think of one.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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7th Dec 2016 7:25 am
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Google Tailgate and you will see that most if not all cars have 'flatter' doors so if you were to hit your head you hit the door card rather than pointy corner of the door skin.In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
7th Dec 2016 9:00 am
AndrewS Tarquin of the Desert
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NoDo$h wrote:
Have you grown recently?
No car was reversed towards a high pavement In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
7th Dec 2016 9:02 am
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It'll all part of the fiendish plans to sell lots of accessories.
7th Dec 2016 9:09 am
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I managed 6 months with a DS without banging my head on the tailgate, also survived 3 Fl2s and an Evoque. I'm pretty sure I'll be okay with the D5.
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7th Dec 2016 1:32 pm
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Quote:
No amount of engineering can compensate for a persons carelessness.
No, but good engineering can mitigate the outcome of carelessness!
The fact that we're all talking about this potential danger means LR will now know of it also... makes easy work for the lawyers if anyone is seriously hurt by a needlessly sharp design.2005 D3 HSE 2011 D4 Landmark 2016 D4 HSE Lux
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7th Dec 2016 1:44 pm
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Galaxy tailgates are terrible. I had one as a company hack and it was nasty. That doesn't excuse the D5 though.
Looking at facebook, with LRs post about the D5 showing something getting loaded in, and showing the 'flap' in operation. There are 1000's of negative replies, I only found two positive replies. I think LR might have to do something with this, it's becoming a big deal.
As an aside, apart from Range Rover and X5, what other cars have a split tailgate that could be called as practical as a D3/4?
7th Dec 2016 2:24 pm
AndrewS Tarquin of the Desert
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Simple fix:- take the corner off the door then reshape the light as shown here in yellow. You will still hit your head but at least you wont get impaled.
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7th Dec 2016 2:40 pm
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Gareth wrote:
As an aside, apart from Range Rover and X5, what other cars have a split tailgate that could be called as practical as a D3/4?
in the same segment nothing comes even close. You have to look at more commercial oriented offerings for similar load space and drop tailgate - hard top navaras etc.MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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7th Dec 2016 7:44 pm
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NoDo$h wrote:
caverD3 wrote:
DSL wrote:
Pelyma wrote:
So me and Al will be the only survivors
That's evolution for you.
That would be d-evolution.
If Paul and I are devolution, what the hell is Steve (SN)?
Dunno what you're all talking about - never had ANY issues with the D3 tailgate, nor the jap truck (with its lovely split tailgate, ha ha up yours!) and wouldn't expect to have any with the D5 either Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
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