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Location: Notts.
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Almost essential to use it on all Diesel engines running on DERV (white) diesel.It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
7th Dec 2014 9:12 am
Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
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Member Since: 27 Jul 2014
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Bought some actevo FD as no FC was available. Checked the "internets" and found that FD is an improved FC with increased detergency...but still a semi-synth.
Presumably I have a DPF -so I've been told by mechanic, but have yet to see the DPF cleaning cycle- I'll crawl under and check. Assuming all is confirmed, FD should be ok?
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25th Dec 2014 9:15 am
GTIR250
Member Since: 03 Dec 2014
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There are a lot of arguments, mostly on motoring forums, about whether or not to add 2strokeoil to diesel powered vehicles. The main argument is that this will improve the lubricity of the fuel, particularly low sulphur(50ppm/10ppm) diesel.
Sulphur occurs naturally in oil. It is undesirable for various reasons. The main reason is that the sulphur from the exhaust pipe forms sulphuric acid in the atmosphere which results in acid rain. In the vehicle it pollutes the engine oil reducing its life. Using a low sulphur diesel reduces both the environmental pollution and the pollution of engine oil. In order to produce low sulphur diesel, the sulphur has to be removed and the process that removes the sulphur reduces the lubricity of the diesel. Diesel pumps and injectors rely on this to keep them lubricated.
Should I add 2StrokeOil to my diesel to improve its lubricity?
In short, you shouldn't. 2StrokeOil is designed for 2stroke motorcycle engines, not 4 stroke vehicles. Vehicle manufacturers and fuel refining companies all agree that running 2StrokeOil in fuel is likely to cause complications and there have been reports of engine failures due to 2StrokeOil sludging up valves and injectors. As fuel refineries have produced lower sulphur diesel, so too have they added lubrication substitutes to the new diesels to the point that lubrication is now even higher than that of high sulphur diesel.
The vehicle manufacturers don't recommend putting 2StrokeOil in your diesel...
The fuel companies don't recommend putting 2StrokeOil in your diesel...
The 2StrokeOil manufacturers don't recommend putting 2StrokeOil in your diesel,
therefore logic dictates that there is no reason to put 2StrokeOil in your diesel!
Better lubricity, cleaner burning fuel, cleaner oil and cleaner air means there is no reason for any vehicle to run 500ppm diesel instead of 50ppm, nor to add 2StrokeOil to aid in lubrication.
what's THIS guy on about ?
9th Jan 2015 10:59 pm
dervdave
Member Since: 21 Nov 2012
Location: Tyne & Wear
Posts: 83
`The vehicle manufacturers don't recommend putting 2StrokeOil in your diesel...
The fuel companies don't recommend putting 2StrokeOil in your diesel...
The 2StrokeOil manufacturers don't recommend putting 2StrokeOil in your diesel`
What do they know ?
10th Jan 2015 8:27 am
GTIR250
Member Since: 03 Dec 2014
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"What do they know ?"
10th Jan 2015 9:05 pm
lancsamb
Member Since: 03 Feb 2006
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I have been adding 2stroke for over 5 years and my engine is so quiet, seriously think about what two Stoke does for a petrol engine, it keeps everything moving so smoothly. Diesel is an oil based product and two stroke is an oiled based product. Nuff said
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13th Apr 2015 8:36 pm
hgbosch
Member Since: 25 Oct 2010
Location: Pretoria and Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 188
GTIR250 wrote:
"What do they know ?"
Hi lanscamb
in Switzerland we have a product called RubinG8, it basically is a combination of Redex and JASO-FC 2sO.
I use it in Switzerland in my classic cars and keeps them running sweet. In Switzerland and Germany they have now started to add ethanol to their fuel. This has been practised in South Africa since the mid seventies.
All the negative effects of this "new" sh#t fuel has can be counteracted by this RubinG8. The guys from the Jag Club in Switzerland swear by it, because it prevents vapor lock. And it protects the tank against rusting as an added benefit.
I also use 2sO in all our 3 diesels, D1, D3 TDV6 and in the FFRR Td6.
And every morning in Winter when I start the D1 and it doesn't sound like a Massey Ferguon, it puts a big fat smile on my face. D1 is on 377'000km, D3 on 214'000km and the RR is on 236'000km.EX AFRICA SEMPER ALIQUID NOVI
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13th Apr 2015 9:00 pm
Popelka
Member Since: 31 May 2008
Location: Praha (Prague)
Posts: 2430
question on mixing
yesterday while sorting out the garden equipment, had to drain and put in fresh petrol, the lawnmower has oil in sump and doesn't need 2SO however the rotovator is a mix petrol/ 2SO I was surprised that putting 2SO in a clear bottle then adding petrol that it sat in layers and needed a good shake to mix.
how well does the 2SO mix in diesel or does it do the same IE layers and slowly mixes, this could be the reason they say some valves have sludged up valves / injectors Experience is a difficult teacher, because she gives the test first and then the lesson afterwards!!!!
14th Apr 2015 6:11 am
hgbosch
Member Since: 25 Oct 2010
Location: Pretoria and Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 188
Hi popelka
we add 2sO and then fill up with diesel. In the fuel tank of a modern vehicle, there will always be a return fuel line from the injection system (petrol or diesel) and this returning stream of fuel is sufficient to mix the 2sO.
I don't know where that story with the "sludged up valves or injectors from 2sO" originated. But it must be one of the biggest BS stories that I have ever read
Just make sure you use a 2sO that conforms to the JASO-FC quality grade.EX AFRICA SEMPER ALIQUID NOVI
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with kind regards
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And some more serious stuff
14th Apr 2015 7:12 am
adam
Member Since: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Home and Happy
Posts: 6917
Based on advice on this forum about 2.5 years (from George mostly ) ago I started using Castrol Actevo 2ST - have done about 30K since then with 3 MOT's - touch wood, all good
Smooth running, reduced start up noise, cant really comment on economy
As George says, needs to be JASO FC.
When there was a scare of water in Actevo a while back (I've still got the batch numbers in anyone interested - mine were all OK), I contacted Castrol Technical Dept, they (a) confirmed IF there was water in the 2ST, volumes were so small same as having condensation in your tank and (b) they knew it was not uncommon for folk to use it small proportions in diesel to improve lubrication
1 Litre bottle = 4 fill ups for me
there seems to be two conflicting schools of thought about TSO in Derv in D3's & maybe D4's
Both threads reference learned guys on other parts of sister sites who would / should seem to / ought to know
Also this thread seem to waver as to whether you can add ONLY mineral TSO or maybe semi synthetic.
is it a case of:
D3/D4 users decide by "doing there own thing" & "hoping for the best" hoping for improvements in "noise" &"running" + whatever else & taking & accepting the risk of damage to injectors etc
or
There is enough evidence that TSO is beneficial & worth accepting whatevr to eliminate the issues of running & noise....
...at the end of the day & your Disco 3/4 is broke with lots of £s having to be spent to get back to Permagrin status is using TSO a good idea ?
after all ...it isnt a life or death / the D3 runs or doesnt run situation...is eliminating "noises"& "poor running" important enough to take risksBREXIT - done properly.
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It's my opinion that current "evidence" points towards it being, overall, beneficial (at least, in the case of a D3). Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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14th Apr 2015 1:14 pm
adam
Member Since: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Home and Happy
Posts: 6917
Agree with both BLF and LFW (sitting on the fence here)
As I said, I've driven for over 30K with it in with no issues (crossing everything here) - but I'm guessing there is folk on here that will done many miles than that with it in so would interesting to understand if they are experiencing issues with any nasty side effects?
Its like the debate a couple of years ago regarding the engine oil additive - Lab reports stated positive, sceptics on here disagreed
Its a can of worms
14th Apr 2015 1:20 pm
euangibson
Member Since: 24 Dec 2010
Location: Borders
Posts: 11027
Well,I can sit on 2 fences at the same time..... 8)
I added TSL to my D3 and heard and felt an instant improvement....but I added TSO and noticed nothing.... or maybe that's because the TSL was already in there....or maybe that's because.....oh forget it.....
You'll never get a definitive answer,as quite often improvements are "perceived" ....if people are happy,and no damage whatsoever has been reported,I don't see a problem
Coincidentally,I just bought a litre of Actevo this morning,and am about to add it to my D4 for the first time,just out of interest "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool,than to speak out and remove all doubt" ?.....what rubbish...
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what's THIS guy on about ? 
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