I am glad that UK can export more even if still in the EU. Wasn't the EU the problem? Or do you mean that UK has already left the EU and economy is already exploding? I hope that does not change after Brexit
I thought we stopped trying to find news (positive or negative) waiting for Brexit to happen. If you want you can find a lot of negative news but I know that you do not read them
Still reconsidering how to vote now is useless as the vote already happened
I am glad that in the meantime Theresa May has done her homework as requested by EU and that we can proceed to the next steps in negotiationIt takes all sorts (to make a world).
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8th Dec 2017 9:10 am
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Alignment on CU ....ECJ still in charge of EU citizens rights ....£100bn gross commitments ....Sounds to me like brexiteers have been sold down the river by May & Davis
8th Dec 2017 9:24 am
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It doesn't matter if your pro or anti EU, she and her party has destroyed this country.
So true. The Brexit vote was only to appease Eurosceptic Torres. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
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Riccardo wrote:
I am glad that UK can export more even if still in the EU. Wasn't the EU the problem?
You said "relevant consequences of the vote that people in UK should consider in assessing the impact of their vote"
But of course you are correct...any good news is because we haven't left yet and any bad news is because we voted.
The EU is a problem.
We don't have a FTA with any of the 10 biggest countries in the world, so effective has the EU been at being unable to negotiate trade agreements.Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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8th Dec 2017 9:45 am
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Moo wrote:
So true. The Brexit vote was only to appease Eurosceptic Torres.
And only by accident did it find out the majority of voters in favour of leaving the EU.Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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8th Dec 2017 9:47 am
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highlands wrote:
You said "relevant consequences of the vote that people in UK should consider in assessing the impact of their vote"
But of course you are correct...any good news is because we haven't left yet and any bad news is because we voted.
Last clarification as I am not interested in chicken fights with you
I responded to DSL who seems to believe that it is right to vote leave because of some news related to negotiation between parties in Germany to define the government coalition and I just said it is better to focus on things that are much closer, likely to happen and directly impacting UK people
I did not refer to any specific news. You posted a reference for your usual ongoing leave campain and I noted that it obviously cannot be due to Brexit and you were doing the same in the past for negative news (that is why it is better to wait at the end and see what happens)
If you look at the ongoing negotiation it seems that more and more things are as the EU wanted and as the EU has requested. Brexit bill, citizen rights, alignment in regulations etc (Actually I read that EU seems to have rejected the request from May to keep/have UK representation at the ECJ as they potentially continue to ensure EU citizen rights in UK are protected)
It seems like hard Brexiter can go and whistleIt takes all sorts (to make a world).
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8th Dec 2017 10:15 am
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The EU seems to find itself in an unprecedented situation. All we hear is brexit, brexit, brexit and the other problems of the EU get little exposure. You could be excused in thinking that the whole thing is unraveling slowly but surely. We have
Germany without a government. Now allegedly about to repatriate thousands of immigrants!
Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic being referred to the ECJ for not toeing the party line re immigrants. Strange that one as they never agreed in the first place and made it known.
Spain struggling with their internal politics re Catalonia not to mention the second highest unemployment in the Eurozone.
Various right wing political organisations kicking over the traces re the proposals for further integration.
Greece with the highest levels of unemployment in the Eurozone and still needing handouts. Definitely a basket case.
Ireland narrowly avoiding a general election and becoming aware of how they were being manipulated from Brussels.
Where will this all end up? Is this all in a days work for the EU junta?Once you have defeated the idiots any job is half done. Pity there are so many idiots to defeat.
8th Dec 2017 10:27 am
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highlands wrote:
Moo wrote:
So true. The Brexit vote was only to appease Eurosceptic Torres.
And only by accident did it find out the majority of voters in favour of leaving the EU.
Each seemingly for a different reason
8th Dec 2017 10:32 am
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When i woke up on the morning of independence day i could not believe the result.
I could also not believe that our Soviet EUion overlords and our puppets in Westminster would allow it to happen.
I was right.All things shipping, storage, transport. UK and worldwide.
I stand by what I say.
It's the fault of MPs for bickering and not standing together to find common ground for the best way to leave.
Instead argue slag each other off at each opportunity they have.
Yes I voted for brexit.
Am ex forces as well.
So does that make me far right then now.
For thinking all in Westminster are a waste of space.
Don't think so.
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bigdave wrote:
When i woke up on the morning of independence day i could not believe the result.
I could also not believe that our Soviet EUion overlords and our puppets in Westminster would allow it to happen.
I was right.
Remember it's not all agreed until it's all agreed. Just wait until 5 minutes to midnight (metaphorical clock) when everything is supposedly agreed by everybody and Spain says "now let's discuss Gibraltar".
8th Dec 2017 11:26 am
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